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PostSubject: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 9th 2010, 9:31 am

Here's a new knuckle duster....the SinSkull

Black Micarta skull knuckle duster made by Sinza on 5-8-2010.
Skull knuckle duster design trademark, copy written, bla bla bla owned by Sinza. sword

Something I designed about 5 years ago but never got around to making until now.
I've had Brass Knuckles since I was a teen. It always kinda buged me that they had a 'smiley face' look to them. I wanted something more ....sinister yet stylish.
If I can swing the cash I would like to have a dozen or so waterjet cut maybe in about a month.

The re-draw.


Cutting it out.


Glueing it to a sheet of Black Micarta. You can see in the background a couple of cardboard and superglue prototype versions I made first to get a idea of how it felt.


Drilling some holes.


Cutting it out with a band-saw.


The rough cut out.


Sanding it on the belt sander.


Sanded to the lines.


More holes drilled. Not shown but I also drilled holes for the mouth area.


Getting things opened up with a Dremel tool and a few different carving bits and sanding drums.


Getting all the sharp edges smooth and rounded. Now it feel nice to the hand.


Here's how you slip it on.


Here's how it fits and butts up against your palm.
This shields your fingers and keeps them from getting broken.


And here's how it looks polished.

Truth is I still need to do some more finish sanding on the inside of the cutouts and a little more polishing, but it's pretty much done.

I may do a little artistic carving to it. Maybe add some skull details like cracks and such.

Next, my plan is to have some water jet cut and have some for sale. Brass, Polished steel version or Black Micarta.

O.K. .....now I've re-designed the Brass Knuckles....Time for you guys to come up with some new designs! SINZA
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 9th 2010, 10:22 am

It looks very cool. My only question is that the sides of the "eyes" look a little thin, so I'm wondering if it might bend or break after a couple good punches.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 9th 2010, 10:38 am

yeah...it did kinda turn out that way. Because all the edges are rounded it looks really thin, but there is a bit more material there than it looks. Micarta is pretty strong, but yes, the original plan was to have wider walls if you look.
This is only the first prototype. The original drawing had thicker walls but I had to widen the holes a little to get my fingers in. It might take making one or two more to get a 'perfect' design.

I'll do a little bit of a re-design before I waterjet cut a batch.
The walls will be a little thicker and I'll make the mouth look cooler.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 9th 2010, 10:41 am

Ok, good to know. Also I went to the other knuckles duster links and also noticed the "smiley face" look to them.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 9th 2010, 3:20 pm

Lookin' really awesome. Nice innovative design.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 9th 2010, 8:32 pm

That is epic. And the skull design doesn't look have bad cheers
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 9th 2010, 11:09 pm

Gonna leave Phantom emblems punched into some bad guys ?
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 10th 2010, 9:16 am

cowscankill wrote:
That is epic. And the skull design doesn't look have bad cheers

have bad????

Well...good....I think. I didn't want it looking have bad.


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unless you ment half bad ...then thanks. It's ment to be only 30% bad...so I'm doing o.k..
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 10th 2010, 5:35 pm

Oh yes, half bad, my mistake again Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 11th 2010, 3:28 am

Love the skull knuckle duster very innovative creation. Just like to make a suggestive idea that has worked for me on handles and guards to strengthen weak points. Especially on prototypes or finished pieces. Get 2 pieces of sheet metal for each side of the skull. Then rivot (obviously drill small holes), tac/mig/heliarc weld, possibly duct tape (your preferrence) to the sides. After that sand and polish flush. Benifits: Gives alot more structure to the sides where it thins out, it won't spread your fingers out to wide like regular brass knuckles (which in my opinion are to bulky), last it might give you more visual accent if you decide to put in an artistic detailing on the skull. I like the fact that it looks very concealable.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 11th 2010, 12:38 pm



I've seen a few similar designs, like that one there, but they all end up looking cartoony. The SinSkull is 100X more awesome!
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 12th 2010, 7:26 am

Well here it is! ........ My 100th post !

eddie rocker jumping laugh out loud hard

First off, I'd like to pass on a HUGE pile of "Thanks" to our fearless leader Sinza for keeping the lights on here, and also for giving us blade maniacs a great place to play with sharp pointy things! (bravo) bow


Secondly, I'd like to thank all my loyal fans out there who have by some strange twist of fate managed to keep my "reputation points" in the plus numbers. (How did THAT happen? ) scratch


Now Down To Business..........

I was hoping to save this "Centennial" posting for something truly awesome, (not just my own personal rant about duct tape)....But I felt I just had to address this recent comment from one of our newer members.........


bj tokar wrote:
Love the skull knuckle duster very innovative creation. Just like to make a suggestive idea that has worked for me on handles and guards to strengthen weak points. Especially on prototypes or finished pieces. Get 2 pieces of sheet metal for each side of the skull. Then rivot (obviously drill small holes), tac/mig/heliarc weld, possibly duct tape (your preferrence) to the sides. After that sand and polish flush. Benifits: Gives alot more structure to the sides where it thins out, it won't spread your fingers out to wide like regular brass knuckles (which in my opinion are to bulky), last it might give you more visual accent if you decide to put in an artistic detailing on the skull. I like the fact that it looks very concealable.

WTF???

OK,.. Let me get this straight.... This idea you have is supposed to be a solution to having "weak points" in your "prototype or finished pieces"......

And, by taking "2 pieces of sheet metal for each side" (why 2 for each side? why not just use 1 thicker one?).... and attaching them with "rivot"(rivet)"tac/mig/heliarc weld", or "duct tape" you can fix the design problem of having the stock too thin on the sides.......

You also claim that one of the "Benifits"(Benefits) would be that it might give you "more visual accent" to any "artistic detailing on the skull".


ARE YOU KIDDING ??? Arrrggggg


bj,.... I know you're new here,... so I'll try not to be too much an ass,.... but you've got it all wrong bro!!

The whole idea of making prototypes or mock-ups when designing is to help the builder work out all the "weak points", and also to give you something to physically hold in the hand to get a better idea of how the piece needs to be adjusted for fit and function,(as well as comfort).... It's far better to re-work a bad design, than to slap a sheet metal splint on it to keep it from breaking. If you discover a design problem during prototyping,... You Re-Design It!! You don't just patch it back together with sheet metal and tape!!

And the idea of using "duct tape" to attach the sheet metal is TOTALLY messed up !!......You mention that this solution works well "Especially for prototypes and finished pieces". How could you ever consider a finished piece, "finished" if it still has a wad of duct tape wrapped around it ??? I mean WTF?... Duct Tape weapons are OK I guess if you're 7 years old and playing in the yard with your friends,.. Or if you're stranded out in the wild with limited supplies and you have to improvise some way to build a weapon to survive,... But for crying out loud, don't ever show me something held together by duct tape, and claim it's a "finished piece". And there is no way that something stuck on with duct tape is ever going to help with "visual accent" or "artistic detailing",.. no matter how much you "sand and polish" it!

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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 12th 2010, 9:58 am

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And there is no way that something stuck on with duct tape is ever going to help with "visual accent" or "artistic detailing",.. no matter how much you "sand and polish" it!

Yeah...don't try sanding Duct Tape....just makes a mess.

O.k....

To all...thanks for the feedback.
as I said above, it is just the first prototype, something to hold and get a feel for what needs improving. Any thin or weak areas will be addressed and fixed in the redesign.

To Poindexter: I have seen that other skull duster, did not like the look or the fact that the way he held it was jaws forward, which seems backwards to me.

I will say that I did design this about 5 years ago and I didn't see this other one until about a week ago. I know where you saw it, weaponcollector has a killer collection and blog. I need to e-mail him and get him over here.

BJ tokar and Shadowhound:
In addition to what I said above I will say this...
The idea of making a 'sandwich' has already been thought of, but not for fixing weak points.
IF I make more of these, which I think I will, I'd like to do some that are made of more than one material. I'd like to do some with a layer of bone on each side but I'm having trouble finding bone slabs that are wide enough. Brass with a layer of nice wood on each side would be nice...things like that.
But again, it wouldn't be to fix a problem but done for artistic reasons. Any weak or ugly areas will be designed out of it before any more are made.
And again, if you look at my design drawing I had thicker walls, I just had to make the holes bigger for my fingers.
That's why we make prototypes.

Ya know....Brass isn't cheap. I've been looking into a slab to cut out about a dozen of these and DAMN brass is expensive! I see now why most brass knuckles are steel with a brass coating. (did ya know that?)
Shit! A 12x12x1/2 piece is around $300, which is too much.
I don't want each skull to end up being too much to make. Steel and Black Micarta is cheaper, but I will have to do at least one or two with a brass sandwich just to say I made 'Brass Knuckles'.
I'm so busy working overtime latley I'm not sure when I can get back to my projects, but I do have a few cool things that are just waiting on the right payday.

100 post huh? Right on!!

And...you're welcome. I'm glad you all enjoy playing in my sandbox. Just don't poop in it. SINZA
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 14th 2010, 2:53 am

To sinza and shadowhound my apologies if I presented my statements wrongly. I am not that great with computer lingo. My girlfriend (who is a computer junkie) informed me that I needed to put (lol) in somewhere for the duct tape part since I was joking. I'm also sorry for putting in finished pieces. In my work area I have 3 areas: Prototypes (for weapons that did not turn out right, can be made for some other project later, or you didn't like it and going to try something else), Finished Piece or Pieces(the project is finished but might need some tweaking or redesigning which (to me) goes back to prototype status, last is my Selling area (project is cleaned and polished. Does not need any more work done). I just wanted to clarify myself sorry if I offended anyone.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 14th 2010, 9:07 am

No worries.

We have found out that it helps to use smileys when being sarcastic.

Me, I've very sarcastic, but if you don't add a smiley then it just comes accross as dumb or asshole.

Again, no worries. But yeah, helps if we know you're kidding. SINZA
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 21st 2010, 1:06 am

Awesome!! I'll admit, Shadowhound kinda guilted me into checking this out. I was busy having a pity party fer meself along with every other 16 year old on here that can't get a date. Very Happy But now that I see it, THATS JUST PLAIN GENIOUS! bow Put my name on the list! I'll definitely be buying at least one! I really like the bone idea. Once you used, or at least handled it, dirt and crap from your hands would get in der craks in the bone and give it that aged and used look. Also, if you did happen to use it, you might even get some blood on it. That'd look even better! It looks much easier to conceal. Also much more comfortable to hold and use. I've noticed classic knuckles are a little uncomfortable and don't fit your hand very well. Never punched anyone with a pair but still. You mind if I attempt to make a pair for meself? Just a plastic or micarta rough draft to see how she feels? Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 21st 2010, 3:07 am

huh never experimented with brass knuckles before but that looks beastly.

Which would you say is the strongest metal out of brass, black Micarta, and steel?
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 21st 2010, 7:49 am

How much sinz, you could start your own store you know. that's awesome, no one would even know that's knuckle dusters, you could put chain on them, pretend its a pendent, then rip it off then BANG beat
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 21st 2010, 9:58 am

O.k....I think I got most of my bills paid....fuck...

I should be able to do a waterjet cutting run soon. Just had way too many bill latley...and tickets. Concert tickets and traffic tickets.

But I have a stack of steel and micarta just waiting to be taken to be cut. Hopefully next month. Then I'll have some new AK's, Trifoils, SinStars, and SinSkulls.
Fucking bills....Oh well....soon enough.

Whats better...Brass, Steel, Or Micarta.....depends.
Brass is heavy, so it adds weight to the punch, but it's expencive.
Steel is cheaper, solid, and heavy.
Micarta is light and it's black. It's feels lighter to carry but dosen't add that weight to the punch like metal will.

Price??? Who knows?? Let me get a few waterjet cut and then we'll see.
If it wasn't for getting speeding tickets I'd have all this stuff cut by now...so soon...maybe a month more or less.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 21st 2010, 11:41 am

put me down for 2 of the brass but i have a few things I have to save up for so not right away depending on the price
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 21st 2010, 1:33 pm

Hmmm... skulls aren't really my thing even though they look cool...I'm too much of the geek type, so I personally prefer futuristic or video game designs.

Needless to say, if I do want a brass knuckle in the future, I'll just have to make my own.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 24th 2010, 1:34 am

I'd almost say that casting could be another cool way to get a similar design. Making the wax model would be pretty simple, and it's a lot easier to work wax rather than something with more resilience. (And a friend of mine showed me that glass blasting does a great job of getting rid of the plaster you cast in) Plus, you cast one right and you can make a mold for lots more.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 31st 2010, 9:57 am

Seriously cool, if you do have any produced for sale let me know.
but i was wondering if you could have them made cheaper by having them made out of cast alloy?
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 31st 2010, 11:46 am

sickboy wrote:
Seriously cool, if you do have any produced for sale let me know.
but i was wondering if you could have them made cheaper by having them made out of cast alloy?

Sure, if I wanted to make cheap crap. I hate cheap. SINZA
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   May 31st 2010, 12:25 pm

quote sinza "but I'm having trouble finding bone slabs that are wide enough"

I wonder if cows at a meatpacker have wide shoulder blades.
or I wonder what a hip bone looks like.
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PostSubject: skinflint   June 1st 2010, 2:29 pm

you were the muppet who was whining about the cost of flat brass.
and i doubt you could muster the kind of force in a punch that would crack investment cast alloy of even the cheep cheep cheep nasty kind.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   June 1st 2010, 11:17 pm

As you wish SINZA
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   June 18th 2010, 3:42 pm

Sorry for this noobish question but what is black micarta.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   June 18th 2010, 4:25 pm

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Sorry for this noobish question but what is black micarta.
It's some type of black fabric cured in epoxy at high pressures. Like carbon fiber. There are a couple places on the net that tell you how to make it.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   June 18th 2010, 6:12 pm

These go on sale yet? really looking forward to getting some black micarta ones
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   November 4th 2010, 3:43 am

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I've seen a few similar designs, like that one there, but they all end up looking cartoony. The SinSkull is 100X more awesome!

Yeah this brass knuckle is really a nice one I've never seen that before thumb up


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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   November 4th 2010, 1:02 pm

Good work, man. That looks REALLY polished in design. I like the look of it.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   November 5th 2010, 8:21 am

looks good and professional.
I was wondering what attachment you used for the dremel tool.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   November 5th 2010, 7:07 pm

Try making em out of G10.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   November 5th 2010, 11:05 pm

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As you wish SINZA

... oh god, please don't tell me that I am the only one imagining that being said in Westley's voice.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   November 5th 2010, 11:26 pm

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... oh god, please don't tell me that I am the only one imagining that being said in Westley's voice.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   November 6th 2010, 12:37 am

Comforting. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   November 6th 2010, 6:51 am

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... oh god, please don't tell me that I am the only one imagining that being said in Westley's voice.

That would be,.. " INCONCEIVABLE !! "

laugh out loud hard


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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   November 6th 2010, 6:58 am

Whose Westley?

The only guy I can think of is this dude:
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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   November 6th 2010, 9:17 am

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Whose Westley?
I'm pretty sure the Wesley being referred to is actor Cary Elwes's character "Farm Boy Wesley", who later becomes "The Dread Pirate Roberts" in the movie "The Princess Bride". His character was known to use the line "As you wish".




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PostSubject: Re: SinSkull - New Skull Knuckle Duster Design by SINZA   November 6th 2010, 9:49 am