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PostSubject: Flying Knife   February 28th 2008, 3:09 pm

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The Flying Knife sails through the air without turning! Of course, this is due to its special construction and throwing technique, not some magic spell like every knifethrower sometimes wishes to know.

Paco Tovar, an engineer from Spain, did not want to accept the annoying fact that throwing knives often hit the target handle first and don`t stick. Hence, he went on to develop the Flying Knife, which behaves like a little spear. The hole in the handle is for the index finger on which all the weight comes to rest. The finger lets the knife slip off in the right moment, through the friction imparting a spin round the longitudinal axis of the knife. This spin stabilizes the flight, quite like with bullets. The knife is thrown about the same way like you would throw a ball. Instructions are included with every knife.
Because of its bayonet-like blade, the knife sticks very well (though some force is needed in the throw). It is especially well suited for long distance throws, with no need to count spins, stabilizing even if the throw was not perfect. Be careful when throwing multiple knives at one target, or your third knife may nail the first one to the wood :-)
At the Big Throwers Meeting 2002 at the LBHR, Paco presented his knife for the first time outside of Spain. Of course, it has been tested thoroughly there. It turned out that even people that do not have much experience in throwing knives do very well. Women also have good success with their natural throwing movement, the knife often stuck at the first throw! Experienced throwers will quickly learn the new throwing style. The Flying Knife can also be thrown like a traditional throwing knife.
The knife is quite robust. The blade is manufactured from 440 steel, the grip is Zytel (Nylon), its rubbery surface providing a good hold. Since the introcution of the improved model (mid-2008), the cap at the end of the grip will stay in place safely (a problem with early knives). The sheath is a real beauty and well made.
Paco has patented his invention in different countries and plans to sell it worldwide. It will be most popular with people who just start throwing and don`t want to take care of spins, as well with advanced throwers who want to master an alternative throwing technique.

The Flying Knife has stablished the New Long Distance Record of USA at the "Central USA Knife Trowing Championships" in Austin (Texas), with a throw of 59'6" in the 8'' bull¨s eye, the 21of December 2002. This record has been accepted as New World Record for the World Knife Throwing Guild.

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Short distance throw: between 2 and 5 yards

Find a comfortable posititon, flex your arm and hold the knife about shoulder height
The angle between your forearm and the horizontal can be between 45º and 90º
Hold the knife gently, fingers relaxed
Concentrate on the tip of your index finger
Relax arm and wrist and start the throw going backwards with your arm
Notice the knife´s weight at the final rear position
The point is keep this sensation of weight during all the forward part of the throw, so without stopping the movement start with the forward part of the throw

The weight that you feel at your finger tip is the pressure that the knife makes against your fingertip and for keeping this sensation is necessary:
Keep the knife´s tip pointing forward
Accelerate the movement gradually
Arm wrist and relaxed
At the final part of the throw let your fingers totally relaxed and feel that the knife takes off smoothly sliding on the index finger tip.
Is important to finalize the movement with the arm totally extended.
Avoid any twisting of the wirst.

Medium distance throw: between 5 and 7 yards

Basicly it is like the short distance throw, with the following small differences:
The recommended angle for the forearm is 45º
Get the knife onto your fingertip as quick as posible
Try to extend your arm as soon as posible, putting the path of your hand in the line with the external circumference that makes your hand with the arm totally extended

Long distance throw: superior to 7 yards

This is the easier and more spectacular throw
As the knife will descend between 0´5 and 1´5 yards during its flight, depending on the distance to the target, the flight line will be balistic and the initial direccion of the throw will be upwards. This upward throw reinforces the pressure on the finger tip, making easier to feel this sensation

Hold the knife with the fingers relaxed
The angle could be any between 45º and 90º; we recommend 45º
Arm relaxed
Keep the feeling of the knife´s weight during all the throw
Let your fingers totally relaxed at the final moment
Finish the throw with the arm extended

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   February 28th 2008, 3:25 pm

a Knife Throwing???
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   February 28th 2008, 4:10 pm

BlutGott wrote:
a Knife Throwing???

Fliege gerade
keine Drehbeschleunigung
wie Pfeil

fly straight
no spin
like arrow
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   February 28th 2008, 5:35 pm

Me want!!! lots@@@
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   February 28th 2008, 9:38 pm

thats pretty cool sinza... and i know what you mean the handle hitting the target first, my dad taught me how to throw knives, and when you throw them, becuz u fling your wrist it gets a spin to it and ocasionaly the handle hits first, this is a neat little invention that will eliminate that problem but im so use to throwing the traditional way. :) Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   February 29th 2008, 12:00 am

Yeah, this is an interesting design, I've run into it before, while looking for some easy to throw knife designs a few years back. I was kinda skeptical, it doesnt look all that impressive, but i've only read good things about it and it has a record, so i guess it's gotta work...

I also ran into the Easy Stick Pro around the same time:
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My only gripe with both of these designs is that they both require a rather unique throwing style that doesn't work with a regular throwing knife... But they both seem to be great, easy to master throwing implements... But I ended up just getting a set of regular neutrally balanced throwers instead... LOL Rolling Eyes Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   February 29th 2008, 12:35 am

yeah i still prefer the old school throwing knives i still dont know how to throw an axe though... Sad
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yeah i still prefer the old school throwing knives i still dont know how to throw an axe though... Sad

I've only been able to throw my double bladed fire axe with any real solid results. Unfortunatly, it has been lost, or stolen. It makes me cry at night. Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   February 29th 2008, 8:21 pm

do you mean both ends of the axe or both sides? scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 3rd 2008, 5:07 pm

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do you mean both ends of the axe or both sides? scratch

Both sides. I'll try and find a picture hold on.

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 3rd 2008, 7:15 pm

my knives for throwing have the send blade on the front and a pointed handle in the back, with a hook like desighn on the sides. there called alian knives. they stick in pritymuch any way you through them
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 3rd 2008, 7:30 pm

yeah huh billy "that would be cool as fuck" lol Laughing

yeah... i finnaly just immagened how cool this would actually look... a knife just flying straight thorough the air... just sailing, floating and then bam! hits target absolutely no spin required...NICE!!!

also sinza can u get a borat smiley up here plz... Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 3rd 2008, 9:24 pm

Hey Ztrain, how 'bout some pics o them alien throwing knives of yourn?? bounce Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 3rd 2008, 9:47 pm

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also sinza can u get a borat smiley up here plz...

Now that would be cool! Cool Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 3rd 2008, 10:02 pm

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yeah... i finnaly just immagened how cool this would actually look... a knife just flying straight thorough the air... just sailing, floating and then bam! hits target absolutely no spin required...NICE!!!

also sinza can u get a borat smiley up here plz... Cool

Actually, if memory serves, with the flying knife, there is spin, it's just not end over end, but rather an axial rotation, it improves the stability of the blade in-flight, much like a round out of a rifled barrel... sniper
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 3rd 2008, 10:05 pm

yeah huh billy "that would be cool as fuck" lol Laughing

also is that you that corrected my post PB? scratch im not mad.... just FURIOUS!!!

jkjkjk lol Wink im just messin with yah but i think i get what your saying



yah right like this ?
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 3rd 2008, 10:17 pm

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yeah huh billy "that would be cool as fuck" lol Laughing

also is that you that corrected my post PB? scratch im not mad.... just FURIOUS!!!

jkjkjk lol Wink im just messin with yah but i think i get what your saying

yah right like this ?

LOL sorry there EB, I was trying to quote your post and I accidentally edited it. I changed it back though, There wasn't anything in it i had a problem with, but I don't remember if I had cut anything when I was responding so I apologize if i deleted anything you wrote. I knew I was missing something LOL Embarassed bounce Laughing

But yes, you've got the rotation thing right. the finger holes are positioned so that you can impart an axial spin to it when you throw it. Perhaps one of the reasons why it can fly so far... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 3rd 2008, 11:06 pm

alrght no prob PB its okay i know it wasnt some diobolical plot against me... or was it? jk lol Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 7:03 am

ya center of gravity neds to be were the x,y (0,0) are. other wist they spin weard, my friend has a scar on his arm because we ment to throw some knifes at a tree. one kid tryed to make his own and well... it bounsed off because it didnt spin right and hit em in the arm. luckaly they wernt to sharp.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 1:53 pm

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ya center of gravity neds to be were the x,y (0,0) are. other wist they spin weard, my friend has a scar on his arm because we ment to throw some knifes at a tree. one kid tryed to make his own and well... it bounsed off because it didnt spin right and hit em in the arm. luckaly they wernt to sharp.

Indeed, there are two lessons to be learned from ztrains story. First, DO NOT throw throwing knives at trees, even if they are perfectly balanced, because trees are round, and even a good throw may cause the blade to bounce off and hit someone. knife in head pirat No Use properly designed knives, and a proper target, preferably with help from someone who actually has experience with throwing knives..

Second, DO NOT try to make a throwing knife on your own! Properly designing and balancing a throwing knife is not as easy as you may think.

And Ztrain, just as a side note, you shouldn't use the origins (0,0,0) of a coordinate system to describe the center of mass of an object, since the origins of any coordinate system are generally arbitrary and/or relative. (0,0,0) can occur anywhere... tongue

In an ideally balanced throwing knife, what you are referring to as center of gravity should ideally occur along the center line of the knife, at the mid point between the butt and the tip. This will ensure a perfect rotation about it's center of mass, without an eccentric spin. star sword

However as knife does not have to be balanced at the mid point in order to be thrown. Some professional knife throwers throw blade or grip heavy knives and compensate for the imbalance by holding it by the lighter end. This allows them to get a better feel for what the knife is doing and adjust their throws accordingly... ouch
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 2:23 pm

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DO NOT throw throwing knives at trees, even if they are perfectly balanced, because trees are round, and even a good throw may cause the blade to bounce off and hit someone.

Fuck me, i never thought of that!!!!! Shocked

Not that i do throw knives in trees.....much, but i think thats sumink that most wouldnt take into account eh? Neutral Wink Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 3:48 pm

There are places in the world where deep in the bushes...buried in a shallow grave....lay throwing knives I have lost due to a bounce or a miss.


I think it's one of those things where it's spinning so fast that the knife edge is able to cut the dimentional fabric and phase into a different plane of existence.
You know it's there...but you can look for hours and never see it. You saw right where it landed, but now it's just gone...

I'm sure if I studied more on trans-dimentional phase shifting and spin rotation vibratory harmonics I might be able to find them study .....that or buy a metal detector. duh
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 5:59 pm

nice job sinza... workin on the humor... cause that waz prity funny. lol


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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 6:11 pm

That looks pretty cool!
Does anyone know if shuriken stick any good? Or is it all around type of thing?
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 6:18 pm

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I'm sure if I studied more on trans-dimentional phase shifting and spin rotation vibratory harmonics I might be able to find them .....that or buy a metal detector.

Or you could just extinguish that rather odd looking "cigarette" young man! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

I kno what you mean though mate, i got a dartboard on me wall that i throw ALL types of knives into and sometimes im fucked if i can find them when they were behind the couch all the time EVEN THOUGH I SEARCHED TWICE ALREADY!!!!! duh Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 6:23 pm

shuricans fly realy well, beter than knives
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 6:25 pm

Yeah i've had some wicked stars before, COOL AS FUCK!!!!! Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 6:33 pm

u gota love em, and pluss they ALWAYS STICK...ON ANY SIDE!
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 7:10 pm

yah shurekens (think i mispelled that) curve though... so they as cool as they are they take skillz Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 8:05 pm

excuse me... sir, you eather got riped off or your not throwing them corectly... you throw them verticaly (they always throw them wrong in movies and crap) or you bought ones and one side is more heavy. mine fly strait and true for about 70 ft (longest ive ever thrown one)
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 8:32 pm

naw the old skool ones curve
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 9:59 pm

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Not that i do throw knives in trees.....much, but i think thats sumink that most wouldnt take into account eh? Neutral Wink Laughing

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LOL Indeed... people seem to think trees=wood=target... But they forget that targets usually present a perpendicular surface, and trees have an irregular curvy surface... Bad throwing knife mojo... very bad mojo right there... No Very Happy

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I think it's one of those things where it's spinning so fast that the knife edge is able to cut the dimentional fabric and phase into a different plane of existence.
You know it's there...but you can look for hours and never see it. You saw right where it landed, but now it's just gone...

Laughing You too? Egad! I have lost too many throwing knives that way. LOL What's amazing is how even the ones with bright red colored handles I got specifically to make them easier to find seem to find their way into the fourth dimension... Throwing knives are magical... ROFL Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 10:03 pm

hell yah i know what you mean one time i thorught one at a wooden fence heard a WHAM and never saw it aagain sucks too cus it cost me like 20 bucks!!! thats alot of money for me
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 10:06 pm

BTW Ztrain, those are some nice throwing implements you've got there!!! Shurikens are probably the simplest thrown weapons in existence. They stick no matter which way they go in, so you can focus on accuracy...

EB, I have never heard of the "curveball" shuriken. Are you talking about a ballistic trajectory? or an actual sideways curve? As far as I know, all traditional hira-shuriken (star shaped shuriken) were designed to be thrown with a near flat trajectory, and no curve. There is another kind of shuriken the bo-shuriken, (or throwing spike) that can be thrown with an overhead lob, that follows a ballistic trajectory, but even they do not curve sideways. Please to be explaining "curve" ??? confused scratch bounce


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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 10:09 pm

ah well one time i bought these shurikens in china town for like 10 bucks maybe they just sucked dunno
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 5th 2008, 11:43 pm

I hate the fact these are illegal in Canada. Kunai are not, but Shuriken are.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 12:09 am

ah that hella sucks... sry to hear theyre illegal in canada...im glad i live in us!!! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 12:10 am

I wanna move, but am too used to the climate here.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 12:17 am

hehe u mean it snows right? im sure that chicago's snow can match Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 7:15 am

yea, get some good ones, i prefer 6 point with some weight... light ones dont stick as well and can be hit by a breeze.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 1:33 pm

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hehe u mean it snows right? im sure that chicago's snow can match Very Happy
Probably, but I hate city's. Lulz. I live in a small town. Love it.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 2:54 pm

make a video clip you freak
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 4:34 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 5:19 pm

vidio of what?
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 5:49 pm

Yeah that he is Blott Got. what do you think? he wants a video of you killing your postman with a shirken, you freak! bones
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 5:57 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 7:17 pm

yeah i think that would be cool if you made a vid

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 8:31 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 8:32 pm

I spose i could do one on me phone, not sure you'd get any sound though Rolling Eyes Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 8:48 pm

what do you mean bill? scratch what over the phone?


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