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PostSubject: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 15th 2008, 2:44 pm

First topic message reminder :

I'm going to start a new post for this new weapon design.
PLEASE KEEP THIS POST ON TOPIC. DISCUSS THIS DESIGN ONLY PLEASE.
We seem to have so many it just gets worse when they are mixed together.

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Recieved my 'Assassin's Extending Knife' in the mail today.
It was $135.00 + $10 to have it sharpened.

Description:
The Assassin Extension Knife locks into place with a simple slide.
A release button allows it to slide and retract.
Attaches easily to your Assassin vambrace.
Overall: 19-1/8"
Wt: 1 lb/4 oz
Blade: 9" long, 5/8" wide, 3/16" thick

Buy it here:
http://www.atlantacutlery.com/atlantacutlery/detail.aspx?ID=1946
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http://www.windlassstudios.com/p-76-assassin-extension-knife.aspx

Here it is out the box...smells like oil.


Closed


Extended


The blade and sleeve.


Close up of the blade. Rounded tip to be a safe prop....it's a easy fix on the belt-sander.


The sleeve and front.


Here's the button lock. Very simple, this is all you really need guys!!



Opened up. Here's what you guys have been waiting for!!!! And it's simple!









How the flex cable is attached to the blade.


How the sleeve is attached to slide plate.


But how does it all work?!?!?! So simple....


It's so basic it's almost embarrassing.
If this is the first of this design I'd love to see really nice version made really strong.
It's great for what it was made for, a costume prop or addition to a collection.
That's why it has a rounded tip. It would be easy to make it a sharp point on the belt sander if you wanted.
I can't see it taking too much abuse before it broke or bent.
As it is it came without the lock spring, so I had to open it up to fix it with one of my springs.
Not a real big deal, but I wasn't happy about it until it was fixed.

It's a little big...but looking at it I really think it could be done without the top half of the 'box'.
If you re-positioned the lock this might be able to be made half thickness. That would make a big difference.

Can it be made automatic? Semi-automatic?

Maybe.
I could see a few different ways of redesigning this, maybe with springs....maybe with a lazy-tong...or both.
The cable and pully extension system is so simple, it's how our curtains used to work as a kid.

Is it worth the money?!?! That is up to you to decide. I know I'm happy I have one!!

O.k......did I cover it all??? Any questions??

Now....on to the redesigns and the project builds!!!!


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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   June 12th 2009, 5:51 am

by the way, i would love to see your scematics lonely soul. your design sounds very interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   June 14th 2009, 5:38 am

dude nice link, are those real knives or props?and is the hidden blade acctuly a hidden blade or is it just a gauntlet?

i should realy get around to learning german...


thanks again Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   June 14th 2009, 5:41 am

uhh sorry should have red the second page, i ment the link before this. but this is preaty cool too =D
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   July 15th 2009, 7:42 pm

i think its hilarious that assassins creed has been out for mabye, 2 years and people have already made several mass produced replicas of his [altiar] stuff. ubisoft knows how much profit they would make by producing REAL replicas instead of this other mimic products. WAIT! i am not shitting on all of the exsisting products, i am just saying that it would be cool to have a high quality knife replica. but ubisoft would probably face major insurance, or other issues. just saying.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   July 16th 2009, 2:21 am

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Welcome to the forums.
Yes, it would be cool. But it would also open them up to all kinds of liability. U suppose, however, that they could gimp it somehow, kind of like the guys that made the SAW blade replica did. Run a bolt through the whole thing.
I dunno...

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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   September 21st 2009, 5:40 am

Hey guys, I'm new. Just registered like 5 minutes ago =]

A friend of mine and I have just recently become interested in making/purchasing (if we can find one) a good Assassin's Creed like hidden blade.

Alot of you have some great ideas on how to make one.
I think the best idea (which I beleive has already been mentioned) would be to get one of the AC replicas and take it apart to learn how it works, and build a modified, stronger, streamlined working version of it.

Sinza, if you can manage to make a working, practical hidden blade I'd be more then happy to buy one off of you, if you'd be willing to make and sell one. Very Happy
I've got a few ideas too and I'll post with them when I get them all fleshed out.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   September 21st 2009, 6:12 am

Hey bebop900, welcome, im sure you will find a huge amount of info you require on this site, alot of the designs on this site to make an Assassins Creed are generally very detailed in difficult to make unless you have specialized tools and machinery.

However if you want to make just a simple wristblade your best to check out these links:

http://sinza.forumotion.com/wrist-blade-projects-f18/nightshades-ac-xiphoid-t1071.htm#18477

http://sinza.forumotion.com/wrist-blade-projects-f18/i-got-bored-t1051.htm#18842

There is a huge amount of designs you can find here you just need to look.

However, when it comes to buying or selling these "toys" the site has nothing to do with any of that, the site is for people to look and share what other people are doing around the world.
You are welcome to contact each other through emails and organise whateva you want as long as it is not through the site.

Welcome to the site, we all hope you have a lot to learn and to share.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 6th 2009, 9:23 am

Well, I would say *hey guys, I'm new here* and all that stuff, but that's what everybody else has already done. So I'll try to make is a bit more dramatic.


Commentator: AND HERE HE COMES!!!!!! ENTER THE INFERNO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Inferno comes running into the arena, armed with the most epic xiphoid you have ever seen*

Inferno: ARE YOU READY FOR SOME ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!

Crowd: YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

*Inferno brings out his blades and stabs his opponent in the neck, before activating a xiphoid flamethrower and charring his opponent's dead body*

Crowd: OMG EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Now that that is done with, I want to share a video with you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR2quMM5TtQ


You can see my comment at the bottom. I hope one of you blade masters can figure out how this thing works.


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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 6th 2009, 11:44 am



Message sent....more answers to come.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 6th 2009, 12:33 pm

HOLY SHIT, thats the best one iv seen yet IF it does go back in like it is shown....... Hi by the way (been reading these forums for a while now, this is my first post Razz)
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 6th 2009, 7:04 pm

ForsakenMessiah wrote:
HOLY SHIT, thats the best one iv seen


That's exactly why I wanted to know why it worked. Because he seems to have the automatic in/out thing done perfectly, and the blade comes out with enough force to pierce fruit (OMG).


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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 6th 2009, 7:25 pm

Oi dont get me wrong Boyz it l@@ks cool as fuck but im not 100% the auto retraction is real, same as it goin' straight through the piece of fruit scratch

I hope to fuck it is but it l@@ks like "editing" to me, cool vid though all the same! Rolling Eyes Cool Cool Cool Very Happy cheers

Sinz PBz an Jer will know more than me about cam-trickery im sure SINZA PhyreBlade jerry

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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 6th 2009, 9:57 pm

Bill that may be true about the auto retract, but he still managed to make the blade quite stable and strong.

It looks like he could do some serious damage with that thing if he tried.


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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 6th 2009, 10:30 pm

I think I may have an idea how he does it. Or atleast, and idea that would work.


In the diagram, the blue thing is the blade + holder, the green is a heavy block, and the black line is a spring.






I will explain.
The block is locked at one end. When the blade is unlocked, the spring pulls it forward.
The block is then unlocked, and uses gravity to push it to the other end, where it is locked again.
When the blade is unlocked, the spring pulls it back in.
The block now is unlocked and allowed to slide back to its original position.


This is still a gravity activated blade, but now uses gravity as a 'secondary' action rather than a primary.

What this means is that instead of having to tilt the weapon WHEN you want it to come in/out, you just have to tilt is BETWEEN WHEN YOU EXTEND/RETRACT IT.

Tilting it would 'arm' it, and then you just pull the trigger to fire. The only disadvantages are that it would be slightly heavy, and you wouldn't be able to extend it and retract it instantly.


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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 7th 2009, 6:59 am

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Oi dont get me wrong Boyz it l@@ks cool as fuck but im not 100% the auto retraction is real, it l@@ks like "editing" to me

Thats why I said IF it goes back in, im a bit skeptical myself as at the end he only showed it extending, some of it looks like its played in reverse, and he has said he will make a tutorial but not one that retracts, as it is too expensive scratch
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 7th 2009, 4:04 pm

well.... bonus points for the zim music... but... unless he makes a tutorial of how the supossed retraction mechanism works then its not that great... the locking mechanism is a rather good idea though...


and wtf is power steel? :skep:
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 7th 2009, 11:53 pm

There is definately movie magic,
at 1:34 he is missing a finger, at 1:44 it is a whole finger again.

The knife itself is cool, it activates well,
it looks solid enough, but it is too much like erector set / drawer slide rails.

I see a lot of really high quality knives, so I'm waiting for an exquisite replica.
It's beyond my skill, but I'm still waiting.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 8th 2009, 5:46 am

jerryk25 wrote:
but it is too much like erector set / drawer slide rails.

Is there a problem with that? It is certainly easier to make at home, and obviously it works pretty well. To make it look good, all you need to do is encase it in some kind of gauntlet/cover, like the 'real' assassin's creed blade is.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 8th 2009, 5:49 am

I could be wrong but i think to make it "appear" to retract at 0.31-03.36 is that he just plays the scene backwards, to make it retract, it just looked to me like the wind is blowing the grass in one direction when the blade extends, and is blowing in the opposite direction when he retracts it.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 8th 2009, 12:47 pm

I was going to say that I'll believe the retraction when I see a video of it uncut/unedited. I was also going to point out that if the reverse of footage is the way he pulled that off that his full arm in never in the picture when the blade is retracted. You also never see it retracted as such any other time in the video.

My intuition tells me it's fake, but let's wait to see his "tutorial" to really pass judgment.

I really hate fake attention seekers.

I will say the entire video is rather funny and interesting to watch. I will commend him on that at least.

This just really makes me want to finish my design and build it already.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 12th 2009, 1:14 am

LOL The video is absolutely awesome. However I'm going to hazard a guess and say it is a one way blade... :)
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 17th 2009, 7:23 pm

I dont think the video is "real".
Looks like a spring with the ring as the trigger... nothing too special. The guy just want Youtube popularity in my opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 22nd 2009, 1:30 pm

i think i have a very good design. im gonna start my own forum and start posting what i already have. i came up with this whole lazy tong and spring and gear system yesterday so i may need some criticism
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 22nd 2009, 7:48 pm

i think he might have meant a new post instead of a new forum. if he didn't mean that then i don't see the point of posting that here...
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 22nd 2009, 11:25 pm

I could be wrong. If I am than ignore the above message and post away.

I have had PM from members asking how they can start their own wristblade forum. So this wouldn't be the first time.

We don't need copy cat forums. Ours is unique and I like it that way. SINZA
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 23rd 2009, 9:10 am

EXOTIC AUTOMATIC- The ONLY place you need to be for ANY type of wrist mounted weapon system! eddie

Sinz i think you were right to "mark your territory" here Bruvz, i mean we can date Xiphoids back to the 70's in movies an the like but up until you no-one had bothered to get off their asses an build a networking community that discusses, LET ALONE CREATES these works of art for real!!!!!

Any other Xiphoid forums are just wannabe splinter cells of the your Original format so dont even raise an eyebrow Muckah, were all (an will forever stay) loyal to EA an its Creator! cheers Cool SINZA Cool cheers

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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 23rd 2009, 8:30 pm

yeah i wasnt trying to copy cuz like beefy mongoose said. i meant a new post lol. but any way. im gonna post my design as soon as possible. since i dont have a scanner im gonna have to use paint to recreate my drawing so it should be up by today if i can get a good enough copy down. so yes i will need critisizm because i know for a fact that my sysetm has kinks... even if i dont see them yet.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 23rd 2009, 9:31 pm

im not posting it as a paint doc... its ridiculously hard to work with a out dated paint program... ill clean up my drawings and have my friend scan them in at work as soon as i can. sorry to anyone who is as anxious as i am to get these plans up... i hate my computer. Mad
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 25th 2009, 7:21 pm

Hey,
I'm New to this but I've been reading all of your guy's work, and its really intriguing,
I'm interested in buying something similar to what you've all been showing in the pictures on this post, but I'd like to ask, can you make it sleeker, as to ACTUALLY concealing it in public. more of a self defense type of weapon, just a thought, if you could make it, not so bulky too would help, I'd offer LOTS of money to see someone make that kind of design.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 25th 2009, 7:34 pm

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I'd like to ask, can you make it sleeker, as to ACTUALLY concealing it in public

Of course mate, but i wouldn't advise you carry a concealed Xiphoid outside of your house coz the ol' Bill would deffo chuck your ass in Jail no matter what state you live in!

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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   October 28th 2009, 8:28 am

Good news for Atlanta Cutlery...they got the AC license.

http://kotaku.com/5381909/real+life-assassins-creed-weapons-seem-like-a-good-idea
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 16th 2009, 3:41 pm

I dont get why they dont ship to MY; Its really pissing me off;
Im wanting this so badly but they dont ship to NY;
Is anyone willing to buy it then ship it to me?
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 16th 2009, 6:40 pm

Well, you are blatantly soliciting someone to violate New York state law.
an expecting them to agree to be complicit on a public forum.

I feel for you, but, all I can say is move to a free state.
Calif, NJ, NY amoung others, aren't really Free anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 17th 2009, 10:15 am

I think these lot will ship it to you when its back in stock, its just replica GUNS they wont ship to NYC scratch

http://www.replicadungeon.com/terms-conditions.html

These too

http://www.kultofathena.com/ship.html

Hope this helps mate Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 19th 2009, 7:33 pm

Hello everyone I'm new, I didn't see any introductory thing soo I hope no one minds >.< lol. Anyways I was wondering about this prop you buy. I'm about to buy one but I was wondering if I can open it up and put it back together pretty easily or will I have a lot of trouble? I wanted to take a look inside of it and also in case I need to, replace or work on it some o.o. I heard over 50 or so tries it screws up or something. Also I wanted to say this is an amazing forum and thank god I found it xD.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 20th 2009, 9:12 am

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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 20th 2009, 10:25 am

zang1288 wrote:
Hello everyone I'm new, I didn't see any introductory thing soo I hope no one minds >.< lol. Anyways I was wondering about this prop you buy. I'm about to buy one but I was wondering if I can open it up and put it back together pretty easily or will I have a lot of trouble? I wanted to take a look inside of it and also in case I need to, replace or work on it some o.o. I heard over 50 or so tries it screws up or something. Also I wanted to say this is an amazing forum and thank god I found it xD.

Hey Zang, glad to have ya here! cheers

The "assassin's Creed extension blade' ... It's simple to open and take apart. Fairly simple to put back together. Don't loose any parts.
The link Bill posted above shows when I got mine and the first thing I did was take it apart. Lots of pictures and diagrams on how it works.
It has a interesting pully-slide design. The design could be made better and a little more compact if done as a handmade project.

Glad you like the forum. I do my best to make it cool and the rest of you make it awesome! Tell your friends!

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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 20th 2009, 3:05 pm

Does anyone knoww a website that sells too :NY..?
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 20th 2009, 4:45 pm

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Im almost sure that the video is reversed, it cant be auto retractable, no mechanism seen...
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 20th 2009, 8:30 pm

Ohhh amazing thank you :3. I wasn't sure if they used some cheap adhesive to keep it together or screws lol. I just bought one a few hours ago and did the over night delivery soo I hope I wont have to wait till monday to get it T.T. I probably will knowing my luck and by the time they process all of it T.T. But anyways thank you guys ;D. I've made 2 hidden blades so far but they are embarrassingly easy, one from curtain slides and the other is the classic dresser sliding one lolol. I want to work on the prop one and try and find ways to make it better or at least stand a hard impact. I may try and replace the blade with a similar one. All my checks are going to working on this stuff for now. I'm glad to see a community that is interested in this stuff x3.

Also I seen that "The Real Assassin's Creed Blade" video. I'd have to agree on that it most likely isn't a full real one. I noticed that a string is tied to a part that looks like a drill bit around the front where it stops the blade. then in another shot it shows another string around the back of the arm going down to the back of the blade. I think in the scenes he either reverses the video or uses the string to shoot it out fast or to pull it back in. I drawn all I could see of it as well and I plan to try and make one around that. I also noticed if you search his favs he has a lot of video editing stuff added. Anyways I'll shut up since I talk too much xD
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 20th 2009, 11:22 pm

Ok can someone please explain to me how would any mechanical system that does not involve a small electrical motor could possibly achieve the retraction motion. Cause the most logical way to make the blade pop out would be a spring with a very goof thickness so that it keeps the blade rigid and in place. But then what inner force in the system could pull it back? I've been trying to make up a mechanism that allows this but the more i look into it the more this dream becomes an illusion. See its just a question of physics. In a system such as this blade the energy stored by the spring is not in anyway conserved after release because a lot is lost in friction and heat. So according to this analysis if the blade was to retract to its original potential energy then that means there has to be additional work done by an external force of some sort. So correct me if i'm wrong but it just seems physically impossible. I'm just a newb so if anyone actually has some way the correct me please cause i don't want the dream to die.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 20th 2009, 11:52 pm

this is how DAOTF knife
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 21st 2009, 9:04 am

That video was interesting, hey XII-OniWolf-XII, get your designs up fast man, i want to make one and see if it works. please tell me there was no video editing wit the hidden blade, please. I just finished Assassin's Creed 2 an hour, man that game was wicked, two arm blades are better than one, im so hyped up right now.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 21st 2009, 9:06 am

I just finished Assassin's Creed 2 an hour "ago" - just realized i left out "ago" in a sentence
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 21st 2009, 5:23 pm

Ok I have one last question about this Wrist blade prop you can order. I ordered it and when I got a message from them it said that back ordered items usually ship in 30 to 45 days!??? wtf??? I was just wondering if the people who got one had to wait that long or not. If so I'll have one made way before that freakin thing gets here.... Ugh I'm bad at being patient and waiting for stuff in the mail... 30 to 45 it far too dam long...
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 22nd 2009, 6:56 am

I guess I'll wait a few days. If they don't ship then I'll know. I may just get a few OTF blades and get the gaurdfather spike thing and twiddle with that stuff for the 30-45 days of wait toe tap
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 22nd 2009, 7:09 am

You could always try to find another company and call or e-mail to see if they have it in stock ready for shipping. If so then cancel the other order. I had to wait a while for mine. And yes, you could make one yourself before it gets here...so get to work!!
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 22nd 2009, 7:22 am

Wow dam that long? Shocked I'd be plagued with more insanity than what I have now to wait that long xD. Yea now days everyone gets stuff so fast they take for granted how long it took in the past. Such as how fast a page loads on the internet <.< and how it use to back 10+ years. But I told them I wanted to cancel my order and I found another site that seems to have them in stock. Just gotta wait till monday for a dam answer now toe tap And thank ya for the answer ;D. I think I'll just try and get the OTFs and play with them while I wait for that to come in the mail lol.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 22nd 2009, 9:38 pm

Hey guys, you ever wonder if Ubisoft knows about this site and what they think? Man, jade raymond jumping
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 24th 2009, 6:25 am

Very Happy I beat Assassin's Creed II the other day.... The ending was.... AMAZING!!! HAHAHA

So....... anyway...... Maybe we can move this back to designs for a DA-OTF wrist blade bacon

P.S. I bought my first "real" Italian Stiletto. She's a Beauty.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 24th 2009, 2:00 pm

On another design i saw not related to this design it looked like it was somehow connects to ur tendons in ur arm because if u look real close in the game u see the guy hold his fingers a certain way and when its not being used his hands look normal.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 24th 2009, 2:36 pm

Hmm..... sounds..... like that could be painful Rolling Eyes

But i think the biggest problem is coming up with a way to get the damn mechanism to open AND close using one hand. And then you have to think about how practical the design is so that, if you just happen to be wearing it in your local super market or something, you dont have a 13" knife come shooting out of your sleeve when you reach out to grab something.
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 24th 2009, 2:46 pm

instead of going into ur body connecting to ur tendons on the outside and add and extra safety feature to so when its not being used and its in the sleeve its somehow locked so u have to press an extra button to open the lock to open it all the way
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 24th 2009, 3:12 pm

Good plan. Safety switch! ITS SO OBVIOUS NOW LOL. The tendon idea is creative... but technically challenging. Especially when compared to a wrist movement kinda thing. I keep leaning towards something that "pulls" when you pull your wrist back, and then when you make a fist and relax your wrist, and mechanism would "flip-flop" and when you flex your wrist a second time, you still "pull" on your switch, but the blade retracts instead.

(if that made sense)
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PostSubject: Re: The Assassin Extension Knife   November 24th 2009, 5:04 pm

Okay, so, say I'm completely new to all these mechanics. How would I go about making a ring/cable activated hidden blade? One that would be about as sturdy as a typical pocket knife.
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