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PostSubject: Alien: Resurrection   Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:59 pm

So beings this turned into a topic about Christie's arm rig from Alien: Resurrection, i figured it can just BE the topic for it.

Some gifs i made of it:

















What we know:

1. The handguns fold at the handles, making a straight weapon for easier consealment.

2. There are cables running from the devices up his arms, probably dealing with the deployment.

3. Where does it go? I think the cables run down his back, either to a battery pack on his belt or to his boots, where he controls the mechanics with his feet/toes.

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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:18 am





Nothing Up My Sleeve

A character will have a weapon hidden in his sleeve. Usually extracted by a device attached to his arm that will eject the weapon into his hand when the situation calls for it.

Typically it's a knife or a small gun, though there are other options.

Westerns, such as Louis L'Amour novels, use this occasionally. Often called a "palm gun", a "sneak gun", a "gambler's gun", "gambler's draw", etc. Apparently this type of weapon was common among Mississippi riverboat gamblers.

Derringers were, of course, the preferred weapon for this as you can actually hide it up your sleeve. Western Femme Fatale Action Girls are often armed with this type of gun. (Girl Next Door Action Girl types usually use a rifle or shotgun.)

Sometimes the sleeve is a good way to access Hammerspace. Mousse, the Master of Hidden Weapons from Ranma ½, would be the mascot for this version of the trope.

A knife in the boot is another variant.

A common line for Magicians, as a way to assure the audience that he has no hidden devices that would help him perform the trick. Don't expect characters hiding a weapon to say this line, though.
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Examples:
*The Big Bad of the Arnold Schwarzenegger film Red Heat uses a derringer hidden in his sleeve.
*During the killing spree that marks the climax of Taxi Driver, Travis Bickle uses a small-caliber pistol hidden up his sleeve, which is drawn using a special rig that he made himself. He empties the weapon into the face of one of the men he kills.
*John Preston from Equilibrium is the master of this trope—not only does he sneak a pair of fully-automatic pistols through a polygraph test this way, but he keeps a pair of reloading devices in his sleeves and the ammo to feed them.
*In the Reverand's CMOA in the film Hot Fuzz He says to the protagonist "Oh, F### off grasshopper!" and shoots him with a pair of revolvers he had up his sleeves.
*Darth Sidious in Star Wars 3 had his lightsaber hidden in his sleeve (that or he used the force to pull the lightsaber to him)
*Bat Lash had a small gun hidden up his sleeve in Justice League that came into play after his cheating at poker was revealed.
*In Trigun, Meryl had literally dozens of single-shot derringers hidden in her coat.
I don't think Meryl had guns in her sleeves, though, they were on the inside of her coat. Ditto for Millie's stun gun.
*Ezra from The Magnificent Seven TV series had one of these.
*That guy in the fourth Alien movie had these built into his arms.
*Jim West in the The Wild Wild West TV series often had a Derringer up his sleeve, which he sometimes used as a Grappling Hook Pistol.
*The Mariachi from Desperado used dual Ruger P89s that he drew from his sleeves. He uses this twice, once during the Tarasco Bar shootout, and the other during the final showdown with Bucho.
*Also, in the final showdown of Sin City's A Dame To Kill For, Dwight unloads on Manute, Ava's bodyguard, with a snub revolver hidden up his sleeve. He hits with all six rounds, but Manute is still standing. Shoulda aimed for the head, buddy.
*Mara Jade in the Star Wars novels

Truth In Television: the tradition of shaking hands came about as a way for people to check if the other person had a dagger in their sleve. (Um....it's to show you have no weapons in your hand, so this is half correct)

*I'm pretty sure Wesley did this at least once in Angel.
*Fabiola Iglesias ('mini killer-maid') from Black Lagoon has two guns (MAG-7) hidden in her sleeves and EX 41 grenade launcher on her back.
*In the first episode of Gunsmith Cats, Rally had a derringer up her sleeve, which she gives away in a disarming sequence.
*Not guns, but in his last appearance on Yu-gi-oh Bandit Keith has a remote armature up his sleeve to feed him cards. Earlier appearances just had him pull the cards out from his wristbands.
*I remember on at least one occasion in The Batman Joker had empty hands, but big baggy straightjacket sleeves covering his hands. Arms up, sleeves flap down, and presto! He has razor-sharp playing cards in his hands!
*The Joker has a tendency to do this, in fact- he keeps a knife up his sleeve (with hidden ejecting mechanism) in The Killing Joke.
*In The Dark Knight the Joker is an outright Knife Nut. He conceals a blade in at least one shoe, and when he's arrested and searched, the cops find "Nothing in his pockets but knives and lint." *Plus, early on when he visits the mobsters and they try to attack him, he reveals the inside of his coat is lined with grenades and he's rigged them to be detonated all at once if need be.
*Yomiko Readman from Read Or Die keeps pieces of paper up her sleeves.
*In The Fifth Elephant, Vimes realises that the clerk assigned to him for the journey is more than he seems in part because he feels the palm dagger under his sleeve when he grabs his arm.
*Rastalin from Dragon Lance kept a dagger up his sleeve.
*In a variant in Tango And Cash, one of the cops (Cash, I think) had a gun concealed in in boot that let him fire when he put his feet up on a table.
*Anonym, a sinister nun from the fighting game Akatsuki BK, fights with revolvers that fall from her sleeves in her opening animation.
*Angel used to keep stakes in his sleeves on Angel. Wesley gets a collapsible sword that comes out of his sleeves during his darker period in Season 4 (this is parodied during the episode where they all revert to a teenage state of mind), but he pulls a grappling hook out of there at the end of the season. The device is not seen again until his Hope Spot in the final episode.
*Undercover Brother. During his final fight with the title character, Mr. Feather extended a wicked looking clawed blade from each sleeve.
*In The Dark Knight, Batman had a weapon on his sleeves. The armor spikes look decorative, but could launch off and imbed into enemies.
*Mai of Avatar The Last Airbender, who uses both throwing knives and stiletto-launchers hidden under her sleeves.
*Access to hammerspace version: Admittedly both Hansel and Fabiola Iglesias from Black Lagoon are able to pull two battle-axes and grenade launcher respectively from the back of their clothes.
*Shizune of Naruto has several spring-loaded needle launchers that she uses by pulling back a cord and letting go of. She has particular long sleeves to help hide them.
*Governor Tekagi from Freelancer kills Ozu with a blade hidden on his sleeve.
*From Guilty Gear, we have Baiken, who uses a whole assortment of gizmos hidden in her sleeve along with her katana.
*In the Stargate SG-1 episode The Devil You Know has returning Big Bad Apophis kill two Jaffa guards with a blade that appears out of his sleeve, although it stays fixed on his wrist rather than falls into his hand.
*In Bleach, a picture drawn by Kubo Tite shows Nanao drawing her as-of-yet-unseen-in-the-manga sword from her sleeve.


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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:57 am




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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:52 am

"Ok, but this is all i have!"

"That'll be fine.. Very Happy "
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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:00 pm



One persons opinion:
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Here's how it works in real life: That lever sticking out of the rear of the device, near the elbow, is the trigger. The forward part, sticking out near the person's hand, is slid rearward to 'cock' the device. If you look closely you'll see that there is a little hole or impression in the forward sliding part (near the two screws)... the trigger (elbow lever) hooks into this hole.

The slender black things on either side of the main body are "bungie" cord elastic. They are attached to brass studs in the rear, looped over tiny little pulleys in the front, and finally attached to brass studs on the forward slide. Pulling the slide rearward to cock the device stretched the bungies in two directions. The force at which the gun will propel forward can be adjusted by changing out the bungies.

When you want your gun, just press or strike your elbow into your side. The latch will release, the bungies will rapidly contract, and the slide will shoot forward, presenting the gun right at the area of your hand.

This was originally made by a special effects guy by the name of Jim Smyth. I looked online, and saw his name mentioned in a number of forums. Apparently he made replicas of the sleeve gun, and sold them at his website a while back. Recently, however, members of those forums have been complaining that this guy is nowhere to be found... even people who corresponded with him regularly have been unable to contact him. He apparently has vanished from the face of the earth.


Sleeve rig from Wild Wild West



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Im surprised no one has posted anything about this yet.
.......Dude?!?!?


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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:18 pm

For review....I think this is all that we have so far...






















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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:46 pm

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Im surprised no one has posted anything about this yet.
.......Dude?!?!?


I meant I was surprised that noone has added Equilibrium to the list. Not the method. I'm not THAT dumb guys, common now.
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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:58 pm

Methinks SINZA was perhaps giving you examples of working designs. As far as the
film goes, it is amazing :) I never gave too much consideration to how those 93r esque
infinite ammo monsters flew from his cuffs though. maybe adding elastic to your sleeve
is an answer lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:47 am

More....I couldn't find any pictures so I had to get the DVD out....

Alien 4 Resurection.

Christie's Wrist gun.



These are awesome!! Electronic gun rig, I'm sure there is a EFX guy off stage that is flipping the switches.
I would LOVE to see the designs for these!!

Here's the picture the have in the gallery of the DVD.

I couldn't tell if one pic was better than the other so I give you both.

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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:34 pm

hehe best part of the movie right there Sinza brother

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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:57 pm

Sweet... Loved Christies guns... ! John Woo John Woo
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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:59 pm

i almost looks like the gun folds at that first moment when it is facing towards the camera...that could have several benefits. to bad they dont have any physical movement to deploy it, that would make it so much cooler.

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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:58 am

Yeah, Christies gun is kind of weird, watching it deploy, it almost looks like they are stored below hand level, and then raised up a bit at maximum extension to match where his hands are... but it might just be the camera angle too...
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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:24 am

What about if the guns handles/mag section was on a pivot pin an "opened" like a knife? scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:40 am

I had to pop the DVD back in....watching it right now.

It's hard to see, but it looks like just what you said....

Something is going on with the handle. I can't tell if it folds up or slides up.

I'll keep watching, see if I can get a better idea of how it works.

But yes.....it does one of the two. The handle folds up or slides up, either way it makes the gun slimmer.

Makes sense to have custom make guns. Makes me think of that Magpul gun that fold open. Kinda like that but without the bottom case.

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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:04 am

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Yeah, just like that Bruvz cheers Cool cheers

I think it pivots on a slide rail, an when the slide an barrel are fully extended an locks up inertia causes the handle/mag to swing an lock into place Very Happy Cool Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:13 am

Yeah that's one way to do it, but none of the pictures but the one shows it done that way. You can see when he's sitting down and they come out that that handgun doesn't fold or anything. It just looks like big sleeves
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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:30 am

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Yeah that's one way to do it, but none of the pictures but the one shows it done that way. You can see when he's sitting down and they come out that that handgun doesn't fold or anything. It just looks like big sleeves


??? Are you talking Equilibrium or Aliens 4? We kinda changed subjects for a few post.
The folding handle we were talking of Christie's guns from Alien 4.

on a side note...and I may have to pop that DVD in also.....I seem to remember a gun-slide in Equilibrium where it looks like there are no handles, as his sleeves are normal sized...then the next second he has normal guns.
......Aliens is almost over....I'll put this in next and take a few pics. :SINZA:

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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:32 am

Equilibrium, sorry :/
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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:16 pm

Well its okay because ive bee ntrying to remember where i had seen those slides that you posted earlier. now i know it was alien 4 lol

**This is now the official Alien: Resurrection thread**


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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:56 am

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1. Again....I'm sorry. Didn't mean to take over your cool post. Was just trying to add to the wrist slides.
2. THANK YOU for not deleting your Equilbrium post. I will try to make any additions worthy.
3. How did you get the screen shots to make the GIFs??? I need that!


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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:24 pm

Whose that in the clip Bruvz?

Is he on here?

Thats cool as fuck! Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool

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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:07 pm

@ Sinza

Its all good man. I dont mind. And i use a program called 'Animator9'.

its freeware and works great, but it only recognizes JPEG.

And that video looks like he made it just like the one you posted before, the 'less than $50 props' one
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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:37 pm

all it needs is a forward lock and your in buisness!!! that is an awesome video

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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:19 pm

Wow that is a nice design... great video...!!

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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:01 pm

that is a nice design can it be manipulated to use other things such as a shortened reverse blade katana
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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:55 pm

Hey assassinpreadator I can appreciate that you'd like to apply some of these ideas to your project, but Sandmans thread already got hijacked once.

Can you please just post your questions about replicating Barakas blades to your Baraka thread instead?

It will makes it much easier to both find information, and help you with your project.

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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:40 am

and now a spring at the press of the switch, all the moves again. ie, train at the mall, weapon comes out, re-train at the mall weapon disappears. as a Auto-spring Knives. inside / out.

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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:23 pm

what type of spring do they use for this or any design
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PostSubject: Re: Alien: Resurrection   Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:42 pm

bludmage wrote:
what type of spring do they use for this or any design


The Alien movie used some kind of hydrolics or air pressure i believe. You can see the cables attached to his arms.

You have to just trial and error with your own design to see what works right. Theres no right or wrong answer to your question

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