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PostSubject: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 21st 2008, 8:39 am

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Knife throwing
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Knife throwing in the military
Military personnel (usually spec-ops) seldom use "normal" knives for throwing, because lack of repeatability makes training and certification difficult. The French GIGN's knife has a liquid mercury vial hidden inside to help automatically orient the blade forward when thrown. The Soviet "Spetsnaz" throwing knife is actually a blade gun, which uses a very strong coil spring hidden in the handle to propel the blade forward on the press of a button. The holster carries extra blades, because hitting a tree or other wooden object embeds the blade so much, removal by human strength may be impossible. Conversely North Korean frogmen and other elite DPRK troops are skilled in throwing "ordinary" knives as well as other common household objects, e.g. eating forks

O.k.....I know the info on the Spetsnaz Ballistic knife is wrong. It's not that hard to pull out of wood, doesn't go in that deep. I know from experience. And there was no holster for it or 'extra blades' because it was/is a bayonet, but it did come with a blade cover.

Quote :
"North Korean frogmen throwing eating forks"
bs Ummm Yeah...............No.

But I've never hears this one before....

Quote :
" The French GIGN's knife has a liquid mercury vial hidden inside to help automatically orient the blade forward when thrown."

I was going to call Bullshit and edit the Wiki...but I had to do a web search first...just to make sure. I found nothing.
Would that even do anything?!?!

We have a post on a straight flying knife, so the idea isn't that crazy.

So, here's my question....How would you design a 'Straight Flying, Hand Thrown' Knife??

Me? ...I used to make spikes as a kid, I'd drill a hole and thread a ribbon to make a tail. I got pretty good at throwing them straight by whipping the ribbon. Also, a spike in a tube givin a good wrist snap will fly pretty straight.

So, not just thowing technique, but what would you do or what would you add to make a blade fly straight?
Also, any comments on the Mercury?


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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 21st 2008, 9:09 am

I will think about it, but I don't have time at the moment.

Here's a suggestion: play around by throwing water bottles with varing amounts of water in them. If a liquid contained inside a device is capable of turning rotational flight into straight flight, this should let us know.
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 21st 2008, 12:01 pm

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So, here's my question....How would you design a 'Straight Flying, Hand Thrown' Knife??

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accuflight easy stick
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usually im a little oldschool in that I believe you should never throw your weapon, but id make an exeption with this knife, its basicly a giant dart and it would suprise the shit outta anyone who thought that because they were just outta reach they were outta range

a quick 5' throw into the gut before they even realize you have a knife and rushem to finish them off
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 21st 2008, 1:13 pm

Liquid mercury,
A liquid inside an object in motion will always make it less stable.
Spin a raw egg, spin a hard boiled egg.
Racing cars ( all cars for that matter ) have baffles inside the gas tanks
to keep fuel from sloshing around.
Without a baffle, you would need very slow acceleration rates.

Liquid mercury inside a stationary object makes it more stable.
Liquid has a motion dampening effect.
Inside a plum bob, ( a surveyors weight on a string )
you see them hanging under a transit, or theodolite
pointing to a specific benchmark or monument.
is designed to keep a static motionless point , on center.
Carry a bowl of water.
When you move the bowl, the water tends to stay where it was,
then it moves after the fact...

In large buildings, the water supply in skyscrapers for fire systems
is a big enclosed tank on the upper floors.
There are detailed architectural designs for earthquake proofing buildings.
Like a guitar string, sine wave, from cycle to cycle
the size and shape will determine where the building will
move and when there are harmonic calm points.
Where it is easier to store water.

If water were in a cavity with an air bubble, the flight would be erratic,
causing a tumbling effect, as the liquid behaved in a delay with the outside container.
If water were in a cavity without any free space, or air bubble,
what would be the point ?, why not just have a solid mass of equal density.

Extreme sudden acceleration may cause cavitation, or "soda pop fizz".
I recall reading about mercury filled bullets, how they would be unstable.
Also, explosive gels in artillary shells have to be thickened to a certain point.
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 21st 2008, 2:29 pm

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If water were in a cavity with an air bubble, the flight would be erratic,
causing a tumbling effect, as the liquid behaved in a delay with the outside container.

I think that's the point. The delayed motion of the fluid is supposed to help counteract the rotational force of the object. I tried throwing some water bottles around. It seemed to me that the rotational speed of the 1/4 filled bottle slowed down faster than the full bottle. I don't know if you can go from "it rotates slower" to "it stops rotating midflight" or not, but the concept may be valid.

Still, for this to work I think the liquid has to be able to slosh around the entire length of it's container, so the mercury would have to have the mercury for the full length of the knife, not just the handle.

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I could very easily be wrong about any or all of this.
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 21st 2008, 6:40 pm

but your the only one to attempt an experiment so Im prepared to listen to your results with an open mind, regardless of how preposterouse the idea sounds

playing devils advocate,

a liquid filled object at rest is more stable theirfore a liquid filled object at constant velocity would share the same properties.

since the deceleration caused by air drag is minimal on a straight flying knife the most unstable part of the flight is the accleration while your hand is stabelizing the flight

since a tumbling knife involves both acceleration and deceleration while in flight it makes sense that it would be extremly unstable but there are techniques for throwing a knife with no spin/quarterspin so that each point on the knife would travel with near constant velocity


(its not the best but because of the snow you can see the path of the shuriken)

if there is any truth to this it is that a liquid filled knife may be easyer to throw with "no spin" ... or not
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 21st 2008, 10:52 pm

Well I'm with jerry on this one. It's hard enough to balance a knife without sticking a vial full of a shifting fluid in it...

The problem with a fluid chamber being used for stabilization is that the fluid would be subject to every force acting on the knife, and will change positions in response. Mercury is a very mobile fluid. It's not thick, like molasses. It's not called "quicksilver" for nothing. It will move given the slightest provocation. So I do not beleive there will be a delay or dampening effect in using a Mercury vial in a knife.

Also, an important aspect of a throwing knife is not how fast it rotates, but rather how consistently it rotates. Small knives rotate faster than big ones. But so long as they rotate uniformly, with proper technique, they can be thrown to hit a target, point forward, consistently.

If you have a knife whose center of gravity keeps shifting due to fluid moving around, then it will rotate in an erratic fashion and make for a horrible throwing knife. So I'm thinking, based on those points, the whole mercury thing is a crock.

So far as how to make an easy to throw knife, actually the accuflight would be my first choice. Perhaps with a little more blade and a little less fletching, but the same basic design...
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 22nd 2008, 12:08 am

yep.

I agree with most of what you said

i was just adding a point of view that hadnt been explored and coming up with a functional theory that a knife thrown that undergoes less than half a revolution would be the most likely case for the fluid filled knife as the fluid would experience the least acceleration/deceleration

the reason for this is the top of a tumbling knife has greater velocity than the center of gravity and the bottom has less, so when the tip (if it starts at the top) crosses the horizontal boundary it decelerates and the handle accerates (vice versa at 180) the more this happens in flight the less it resembles a particle at constant velocity

newtonian physics have the same effect on a particle at rest as a partical at uniform velocity. a liquid resevoir has a damping effect on a partical at rest and will then have a damping effect on a partical at uniform velocity reducing accelerations/decelerations

so the closer the knife can replicate a partical undergoing constant velocity throughout its flight, the less it will want to deviate from that path
EDIT: meaning the less it spins the less it will want to because of the damping inertia provided by the fluid

so a dart thrown straight or a knife thrown with quarter spin is the best candidate for experimentation and will most likely produce the best results


BUT that does not guarrante good results there are many things not factored in: acceleration due to gravity, decceleration due to drag, the initial launch is compleatly over looked on the hope that the system will have stabelized by the time its left your hand, which it may not depending on the length of yor arms and the speed you are hoping to throw the blade at, and can the blade even physicly achieve a flight that resembles a particle with constant velocity when subjected to real world conditions

the most important thing however, is that even if it works there are simple ways to achieve flight stability and you can avoid the whole mess with flights/sinzas ribbon and distributing solid weight properly. why dont you see darts with liquid resevoirs? because they have better ways to achieve the needed results.
sorry if you actually read the whole thing, you really only have to read the last paragraph
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 22nd 2008, 2:48 am

you forgot about the way centrifugal force will act on the liquid inside the knife.

Yeah, I agree, although you might get liquid to work reliably and consistently, it would be much easier, and give the same results to just use solid weight.
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 22nd 2008, 7:20 am

Yeah, I knew it was BS...but I had to make sure because...you never know.

Like I said, all the other info was wrong, so I figured this was way off.

The Accuflight is kind of what I used to make years ago, but of course nicer.

I also used to take these needles we had at work, they had a eye loop at the end. I'd tie about 3 inches of string on the end and whip them across the room.
You know...un-safe ways to kill time at work...
I'd take two staples, bend one prong on each so it was bent the other direction, then place them at the end prongs out, wrap string around the end. This made it look like a 4inch Sai with a wrapped handle and tassles. Those were fun to toss around, stick into cardboard or wood pretty good. I made these about almost 20 years ago and I think I still have one left.

Ever play darts and throw them like knives? There were a few times I was in a bar playing darts, but I'd hold it by the tip and throw it like I was throwing a knife. Those still stuck pretty much every time and fairly accurate too.

so, is a dart the answer? Heavy pointed front end with very light finned tail end. scratch

Maybe somethingtwice the size of normal game darts. A 3inch spike/blade....(here's where I stopped to search, better to answer my own question)

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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 22nd 2008, 7:26 am

does any army actually issue knives designed primarily to be thrown? That seems rather foolish to me. There are so many things you can do with a regular knife, including throwing it if you have to. But those specialized throwing "knives" those dart things, what can you do with them besides throw them, maybe stab?
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 22nd 2008, 11:18 pm

@Sinza
Yep, I'm thinking the dart, needle or knife with a tail, tassel or fletching is perhaps the best throwing design, due to it's self stabilizing ability...

@Dach
To my knowledge, there are no armies that I am aware of that issue throwing specific knives as standard, which makes sense for the reasons you mentioned. Most armies issue general purpose battle blades, bayonets, or close quarters fighting blades. But while most of them can be thrown with a little practice, it is not encouraged, because from a battlefield perspective, throwing one of your only close quarter combat weapons at the enemy with a very low probability of a hit, as compared with hand to hand use, has traditionally always been considered a rather foolish idea...
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 23rd 2008, 1:22 pm

and throwing knives arent that lethal to begin with so what purpose would the military have for one. its not really a silent killer if the guy you hit is running around screaming because you through a pub dart in his back Razz and if silence isnt nessasary then why not shoot them. its much easier to pack one more bullet then a giant dart. now a russian spetsnaz fightin shovel, theres a weapon to get exited about

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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 24th 2008, 8:33 pm

Read "All Quiet on the Western Front" by Erich Remarque.

There is a part in the book where two germans are talking in WWI trench,
and the older sargent tell the private to throw away his knuckle knife,
and carry a sharp shovel. The allies won't kill you if you're just carrying a shovel.
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 25th 2008, 5:23 pm

from what I remember from that book it was the serrated bayonets that the younger soldiers were sent to fight with that were a problem and you would get your nose and ears cut off if you were caught with one. so the older guys told the younuns: get a new bayonet, grind off the serrations or better yet sharpen your shovel because its easyer to swing in the trenches
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 25th 2008, 10:19 pm

@Zigged,
I wouldnt go so far as to make the blanket statement that throwing knives aren't as lethal as anything else. As with anything, it depends on the knife.

When I was learning how to throw, I remember reading a story about a famous old native american knife thrower, (I think his name was Skeeter "The Chief" Vaughn) who during some war (can't remember which one) used a throwing knife to kill a sentry at an extreme range.

According to the writer, this sentry was so far away, that skeeter had to throw the knife with a ballistic trajectory (actually threw it at about a 45deg angle) to actually hit him. Clearly this was a really risky move, as if it missed, it would most certainly have alerted the guard.

But apparently, hit and kill him it did. There was even a story about a hunters using bowie throwing knives to hunt 750lb wild boar. So lethality is less of an issue as much as accuracy, consistancy and reliability. And the one thing that the vast majority of these cases have in common are that the thrower had extra knives, and had spent a lifetime learning how to throw them.

Your average soldier... not so much experience with throwing, and no spare knives. But I'd have to agree that sharpened shovels are perhaps the single most useful bladed implement you can have for most environments.
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 28th 2008, 8:27 am

"what happened to you?" "i got stabbed by a shovel"lol.

but yeah i always thought the special forces shovel was a great multi-use tool!
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 28th 2008, 1:19 pm

I stand corrected, the shovel from western front was with the serrated stuff,
the trench knife bit I think was from Slaughter House Five .
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 11th 2009, 12:18 pm

First of all, I'm totally against the idea of throwing knives. Even with a good lot of practice you have at least a 50% chance of missing or only inflicting a minor wound. If you are armed with a knife only, wtf would you throw it away ?? Makes no sense jerkin
The german soldiers used sharpened entrenching tools like these http://www.epicmilitaria.com/product.php/1236/german-entrenching-e-tool with great success in WW2 because knives are no good if the enemy is dressed in 3" thick clothing in winter.
Somewhere is a vid on a Hungarian (?) military knife that are thrown from the sheath apparently with great accuracy. Can't find the darn thing right now. duh
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 11th 2009, 9:54 pm

Alright first post, I don't want to waste my quick train of thought so I'll save "formal" introductions for later, alright.

One thing about knife throwing is, you can get it pretty deep with enough skill, and that would be using a quarterspin throw thanks to the teachings of Ralph Thorn and Fedin.

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You'll find Thorn's DVD for cheap on Houzan's site, $15 compared to $50. Just a note for those who wanted to know where to get the DVDs and books. I'd rather go with the DVD, more clearcut for ME, for others, you might be better suited for the book, and still yet, they're is always self-instruction.

So, my thought on knife throwing, if you can spare the knives, by having more than one, and can get the proper technique without the worry of the grip rather than the mechanics, than go for it, if you want. From there, you could use that like a quick diversion and get away, or use it to confuse them and go in for a quick hit, but yeah, if you don't need to, then you shouldn't be wasting your time on the formalities on how your going to GET the job done, and just get it done, because, as I like to say, just because you brush your teeth with your left hand does not make it wrong, just different.
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 12th 2009, 3:14 am

If you miss and your attacker picks it up in his left hand that does not make him wrong, just ARMED affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 12th 2009, 2:22 pm

WRT throwing knives, I think there is a legitimate case for throwing knives in a combat scenario, however I also believe it only makes sense under very specific conditions.

First, you should have a good reason to throw your knife. If you find yourself in a knife fight and your opponent somehow manages to pull a gun, and you do not have time to run or find cover, then yes, throwing your knife may buy you enough time to flee, or enough of a distraction to charge in and close the distance.

You may even be able to end the battle right there if you hit a vital organ. But this only makes sense if you are in the "sweet spot" where you are so far away that they would almost certainly get a shot in even if you charged them, but you are still close enough to guarantee a hit.

Which brings me to the second all important condition, you must have experience. Lots, and lots, and lots of experience. If you cannot throw a knife well enough to guarantee anywhere close to the same hit percentage that you'd get using a firearm, it seems like a foolhardy move.

Last, it cannot be your only knife. If your knife is the only means of defense you have, taking a chance on throwing it seems equally foolish. Unless you have no choice and can guarantee a hit (see conditions 1 and 2).

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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   August 12th 2009, 5:06 pm

I'm dying here here over Edge's post, so true!

And Phyreblade all very good points, experience is a very necessary step in doing anything. Without experience, even shooting a firearm with a lot of recoil such as a 12ga could be just as hazardous to yourself as to your aggressor(let's face it, no one likes a dislocated shoulder) and as such, the only time to "wing it" with anything, is when you feel comfortable enough that you are positive you can do something to help in fleeing, some things more top priority to "wing" first then others. And of course, it'd be very foolhardy to throw your very last knife! Razz All in all, as Edge stated, a misplaced knife is -1 for you, +1 aggressor, and as such, it might be better to try and get away rather than throw it, but as a last resort, long range, ditch effort, a chance at survival, is better than certainty of death.
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   December 31st 2009, 9:37 am

i dont think that the army issues knives for throwing... i mean if you give a guy a gun and a throwing knife, how often would he use the throwing knife? its not 100 percent lethal and in warfare i can see no real use for it. as for assassinations the hashashins made a point of not using ranged weapons in assassinations.

"Preferring a small hidden blade or dagger, they rejected poison, bows and other weapons that may have allowed the attacker to escape and live."
--wikipedia

obviously they understood the low possibility of a one hit kill projectile.
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   October 29th 2011, 1:07 pm

Ralph Thorn just made my "DMC4: Lucifer" project that much more interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   October 29th 2011, 1:55 pm

Just ordered some new toys today, knives and hatchets. There is room and targets at my friends cabin, so when I go up in a few weeks I'll do a review video.

Black Ronin Tactical Throwing Tomahawk Axe with Sheath


Boker Magnum Ziel 3 Piece Throwing Knife Set


Condor Dismissal 14 Inch Throwing Knife x2


Singapore Sling Throwing Axe Silver With Sheath
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   October 29th 2011, 2:45 pm

I like those Boker throwing knives. Can't wait for the review vid.
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   October 29th 2011, 3:30 pm

does anyone have any blue prints for throwing knifes i need to make some my self Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   November 3rd 2011, 10:29 am

Time to get serious.


I just joined the American Knife Throwers Alliance (AKTA)


My idea is to practice enough to enter The International Knife Throwers Hall of Fame competition next year.

Found out today, much too late, that this years event is THIS weekend...Arrrggggg!! :fty:
I know I'm good enough to compete with the pros.
I know what I'm honestly capable of, time for me to become a pro!
http://www.akta-usa.com/
http://www.ikthof.com/index.html


Throwers throw four rounds of three knives from each of five distances, for a total of 60 knives. 300 points available.



Each round consists of
three knives (suggested half spins with knife held by the blade) from a minimum distance of 2 meters;

three knives (suggested single spins with knife held by the handle) from a minimum distance of 3 meters;

three knives (suggested one-and-one-half spins with knife held by the blade) from a minimum distance of 4 meters;

three knives (suggested double spins with knife held by the handle) from a minimum distance of 5 meters;

and three knives (suggested two-and-one-half spins with knife held by the blade) from a minimum distance of 6 meters.



Blade Throw-Half Spin (2 meters) - (6 ft. 6 inches)

Handle Throw-Full Spin (3 meters) - (9 ft. 10 inches)

Blade Throw-One and one-half spin (4 meters) - (13 ft. 2 inches)

Handle Throw-Two spins (5 meters) - (16 ft. 5 inches)

Blade Throw-Two and one-half spins (6 meters) - (19 ft. 8 inches)

I'm getting some wood rounds from a buddy soon, then I can throw in my backyard again!!

Who else here throws??? Post some videos!

My new toys will be here monday and I think I'm headed to the cabin next weekend...so I'll make a throwing video soon!




and we can't forget the Great Throwzini!!

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So...Anyone else here serious about being skilled?
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   November 3rd 2011, 3:53 pm

Good luck next year man
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   November 3rd 2011, 6:29 pm

darkassassin067 wrote:
does anyone have any blue prints for throwing knifes i need to make some my self Very Happy







If you're serious about throwing, your knives should be a minimum of 12" in length and 10 - 12oz in weight. Once you learn the basics, you'll be able to throw anything that has a point on it!

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An Investment In Equipment
by Scott Gracia

When it comes to throwing knives, you get what you pay for. The cheaper the knife, the more useless it usually is... trust me.

The cheaper throwing knives are always smaller and very light. They usually bend or break after a bit of abuse.

For serious knife throwing and/or distance, you need a professional size throwing knife. At least 12" in length and weighing at least 10 to 12oz.

I don't throw any knives under 13.5". And some of the knives I throw are 16" in length. You can just lob the bigger, heavier knives at the target and they'll stick. It makes throwing for a couple hrs easy. (Try picking up a small stone and throwing it non stop for a few hours... your shoulder and elbow will be hamburger meat! The same thing will happen if you're throwing shorter/lighter knives).

The longer your knife is, the slower it will turn so it is easier to control. The shorter the length of your thrower, the faster it will turn, and that makes it more difficult to control.

The smaller knives aren't good for anything beyond about 12 or 15ft. They are just too light. You also have to really "heave" them to get them to cut thru the air and that is a lot of extra strain on your shoulder and elbow after a while.

Your arm will be sore in no time throwing lighter knives. You can also do some damage to the sockets/joints in your throwing arm.

Targets For Knife and Tomahawk Throwing
by Scott Gracia

There are quite a few types of targets you can make that work great for knife and tomahawk throwing. Here are a couple easy ones to get you started:

PLANKS OF WOOD
You can make a target out of boards or planks that you have laying around. Always place the grain of your target vertically. The knife or 'hawk will cut into the grain easier this way. Thin "planks" aren't the greatest targets to have, but they are better than not being able to throw at all.

Get about 4 - 2"X12" planks, about 6 feet in length. Lay them out next to each other and attach them in the back with a few 2X4's and lots of screws. Place a 2X4 on the top, bottom and middle of the planks and screw them down. Be sure to get a "softer" wood.

LOG ROUNDS
These are my favorite target to throw at! Get them as wide across as you can. That way you can fit more targets on the face of the log and that will help prolong the life of the target.

If you only have one target on your log, you're always throwing at the same exact spot, (usually a bullseye), and that's one sure way to chew up a target fast!

(If you plan to compete in one of the many throwing competitions going on throughout the US, the standard target has 3 rings on it. The largest is 16" so I would recommend getting a log with at least a 20" diameter).

If you only plan on throwing knives at your target, you should be able to get away with a section only 4" thick, but I recommend getting thicker ones if possible.

When the face gets chewed up, you can just turn the log around. When both sides need replacing you go and get a chainsaw and take off a few inches from each side and you have 2 brand new target faces! Just paint your bullseyes over and you're ready to throw!

If you are going to throw axes or hawks then the target will get chewed up much faster so I would get the thickest stumps you can find. Just remember you're going to have to move them and set them up so be sure they aren't too much for you to handle.

TYPES OF WOOD
If you use a harder wood (like oak) your throwers will be more likely to bounce out or not get a good solid stick. That also depends on the knives/axes you are using. Some throwers may have sharper points and edges that make them stick a little better in hard woods. But I suggest always going for a softer type of wood if you have a choice.

My favorite wood to use is Cottonwood. After it's been outside for awhile, getting rained on and soaking up all the moisture, it acts like a "self-healing" dart board. The holes seal up quite a bit after you pull your knives out.

Pine, Palm, Spruce, and Poplar are also softer woods that work great for knife and axe throwing targets.

Stay away from plywood. It will work for some of the smaller throwers but its not the greatest target. Its loud when the knives hit it, your knives will bounce out of it more often than if you're throwing at a log round, and if you throw bigger, heavier knives... they can go right through it!

LUMBER YARD/FIREWOOD DEALERS
If you're having trouble finding log rounds you can call a lumber yard or firewood type place. I recently stopped at a lumber mill in Kenosha, WI and the guy told me he would save a bunch of soft wood like Pine and Cottonwood and cut me 12" thick logs, (no smaller than 16" in diameter), for $5 a piece!

PHONE/ELECTRIC COMPANY
The phone company also has crews cutting down trees all the time and cleaning up downed trees after storms. Stop and talk to one of the crew and explain your dilemma. It might only cost you a 12 pack of beer and those guys can be a valuable resource for us throwers :-)

AIR FORCE BASES AND JUNKYARDS
If you are close to any Air Force base you can pick up "aircraft chaulks" from the base recycling center. These things are basically a curb that you'd find in any parking lot but they are made out of wood. They're usually 12 inches wide and 4 feet long. They are also heavy as hell and take a lot of abuse from axes and knives! They only cost about a dollar a piece so pick up a bunch if you can!

You can also call your local junk yard or recycling center to see if they have any old railroad ties.

FRIENDS
And finally, use your friends. People cut trees down everyday. Just let your friends know that you're looking for stumps and if they see any decent sized ones on the side of the road to grab them or call you. Once the word is out for awhile, you may end up with more targets than you need. But thats a good problem to have!
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   November 22nd 2011, 12:14 pm

Are there any brands of throwing knives you would recommend over others and/or any that should be avoided like the plague?
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   November 22nd 2011, 3:07 pm

The bigger the easier it will be to throw. Spend the money to the buy the best you can afford. You do not want cheap and/or small. I'd say go to Budk and look at the throwing knife page, click it so you can see all, scroll up and down and look for something at least 8". Better if it was 12" or more. Buy something you can practice both blade and handle throw. If you want to throw competition get knives over 12".
This is a sport, so buy he best equipment you can afford and it will help improve your game.

Handle scales and wrappings, cord or leather, will get nicked by other knives and eventually break or come off. Accept it. Gluing wrappings helps a little. Best to have target with many bullseyes so you're not throwing at stuck knives.

my new target.


Get at least 6 of the same knife once you find one you like. There are some that come in 3 packs, makes this easier. Get at least 6 because you throw one and then adjust every next throw. This allows you to make small changes and adjust from a miss to the perfect throw.

I did a review of some of my new throwers here: http://sinza.forumotion.com/t3293-how-to-throw-knives
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PostSubject: Re: Knife Throwing - General Discussion   November 22nd 2011, 9:16 pm

Awesome thanks sinza. That is a sick target man!
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