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PostSubject: Flying Knife   February 28th 2008, 3:09 pm

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The Flying Knife sails through the air without turning! Of course, this is due to its special construction and throwing technique, not some magic spell like every knifethrower sometimes wishes to know.

Paco Tovar, an engineer from Spain, did not want to accept the annoying fact that throwing knives often hit the target handle first and don`t stick. Hence, he went on to develop the Flying Knife, which behaves like a little spear. The hole in the handle is for the index finger on which all the weight comes to rest. The finger lets the knife slip off in the right moment, through the friction imparting a spin round the longitudinal axis of the knife. This spin stabilizes the flight, quite like with bullets. The knife is thrown about the same way like you would throw a ball. Instructions are included with every knife.
Because of its bayonet-like blade, the knife sticks very well (though some force is needed in the throw). It is especially well suited for long distance throws, with no need to count spins, stabilizing even if the throw was not perfect. Be careful when throwing multiple knives at one target, or your third knife may nail the first one to the wood :-)
At the Big Throwers Meeting 2002 at the LBHR, Paco presented his knife for the first time outside of Spain. Of course, it has been tested thoroughly there. It turned out that even people that do not have much experience in throwing knives do very well. Women also have good success with their natural throwing movement, the knife often stuck at the first throw! Experienced throwers will quickly learn the new throwing style. The Flying Knife can also be thrown like a traditional throwing knife.
The knife is quite robust. The blade is manufactured from 440 steel, the grip is Zytel (Nylon), its rubbery surface providing a good hold. Since the introcution of the improved model (mid-2008), the cap at the end of the grip will stay in place safely (a problem with early knives). The sheath is a real beauty and well made.
Paco has patented his invention in different countries and plans to sell it worldwide. It will be most popular with people who just start throwing and don`t want to take care of spins, as well with advanced throwers who want to master an alternative throwing technique.

The Flying Knife has stablished the New Long Distance Record of USA at the "Central USA Knife Trowing Championships" in Austin (Texas), with a throw of 59'6" in the 8'' bull¨s eye, the 21of December 2002. This record has been accepted as New World Record for the World Knife Throwing Guild.

Figure A Figure B

Short distance throw: between 2 and 5 yards

Find a comfortable posititon, flex your arm and hold the knife about shoulder height
The angle between your forearm and the horizontal can be between 45º and 90º
Hold the knife gently, fingers relaxed
Concentrate on the tip of your index finger
Relax arm and wrist and start the throw going backwards with your arm
Notice the knife´s weight at the final rear position
The point is keep this sensation of weight during all the forward part of the throw, so without stopping the movement start with the forward part of the throw

The weight that you feel at your finger tip is the pressure that the knife makes against your fingertip and for keeping this sensation is necessary:
Keep the knife´s tip pointing forward
Accelerate the movement gradually
Arm wrist and relaxed
At the final part of the throw let your fingers totally relaxed and feel that the knife takes off smoothly sliding on the index finger tip.
Is important to finalize the movement with the arm totally extended.
Avoid any twisting of the wirst.

Medium distance throw: between 5 and 7 yards

Basicly it is like the short distance throw, with the following small differences:
The recommended angle for the forearm is 45º
Get the knife onto your fingertip as quick as posible
Try to extend your arm as soon as posible, putting the path of your hand in the line with the external circumference that makes your hand with the arm totally extended

Long distance throw: superior to 7 yards

This is the easier and more spectacular throw
As the knife will descend between 0´5 and 1´5 yards during its flight, depending on the distance to the target, the flight line will be balistic and the initial direccion of the throw will be upwards. This upward throw reinforces the pressure on the finger tip, making easier to feel this sensation

Hold the knife with the fingers relaxed
The angle could be any between 45º and 90º; we recommend 45º
Arm relaxed
Keep the feeling of the knife´s weight during all the throw
Let your fingers totally relaxed at the final moment
Finish the throw with the arm extended

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 5:57 pm

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he is Blott Got. what do you think? he wants a video of you killing your postman with a shirken, you freak!

So well put there Un9 Wink Laughing cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 7:17 pm

yeah i think that would be cool if you made a vid

*ahem* BillSykes *ahem*

did i say something?

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 8:31 pm

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yeah i think that would be cool if you made a vid

*ahem* BillSykes *ahem*

did i say something?

lol

Heh i think he's on about Ztrain Lil' Bruv Embarassed Wink Laughing Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 8:32 pm

I spose i could do one on me phone, not sure you'd get any sound though Rolling Eyes Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 6th 2008, 8:48 pm

what do you mean bill? scratch what over the phone?


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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 7th 2008, 5:14 pm

plz dont.... then this forum would be shut down for planing and intending to murder / manslaughter
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 8th 2008, 12:28 pm

yeah maybe... lol Laughing Cool
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PostSubject: The Flying Knife   April 11th 2008, 4:22 pm


The Flying Knife sails through the air without turning! Of course, this is due to its special construction and throwing technique, not some magic spell like every knifethrower sometimes wishes to know.
Paco Tovar, an engineer from Spain, did not want to accept the annoying fact that throwing knives often hit the target handle first and don`t stick. Hence, he went on to develop the Flying Knife, which behaves like a little spear. The hole in the handle is for the index finger on which all the weight comes to rest. The finger lets the knife slip off in the right moment, through the friction imparting a spin round the longitudinal axis of the knife. This spin stabilizes the flight, quite like with bullets. The knife is thrown about the same way like you would throw a ball. Instructions are included with every knife.
Because of its bayonet-like blade, the knife sticks very well (though some force is needed in the throw). It is especially well suited for long distance throws, with no need to count spins, stabilizing even if the throw was not perfect. Be careful when throwing multiple knives at one target, or your third knife may nail the first one to the wood :-)
At the Big Throwers Meeting 2002 at the LBHR, Paco presented his knife for the first time outside of Spain. Of course, it has been tested thoroughly there. It turned out that even people that do not have much experience in throwing knives do very well. Women also have good success with their natural throwing movement, the knife often stuck at the first throw! Experienced throwers will quickly learn the new throwing style. The Flying Knife can also be thrown like a traditional throwing knife.
The knife is quite robust. The blade is manufactured from 440 steel, the grip is Zytel (Nylon), its rubbery surface providing a good hold. Since the introduction of the improved model (spring 2008), the cap at the end of the grip will stay in place safely (a problem with earlier knives). The sheath is a real beauty and well made.
Paco has patented his invention in different countries and plans to sell it worldwide. It will be most popular with people who just start throwing and don`t want to take care of spins, as well with advanced throwers who want to master an alternative throwing technique. Please be aware that, like with the Easy-Stik Pro, the specific throwing style can not be used with other knives.

With the Flying Knife he designed, Paco won the long distance competition of the Central US Knife Throwing Championship 2002 in Austin (results). He stuck it in the bull`s eye from a distance of 18.10 m !

Thought some of you might find this interesting. I did. study
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   April 11th 2008, 7:32 pm

LOL Hate to do this to ya TD, but Sinz already had a thread for this... LOL ROFL ROFL star sword Very Happy PhyreBlade
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   April 12th 2008, 9:04 am

Thats funny, I must have miss it. Sorry about the duplicate. dunno scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   April 13th 2008, 11:03 pm

I've thrown a lot of knives, and prefer a commando knife,
I've got my favorite, where I filed flat the sharp edge on the whole knife, except for 2 inches down from the point.

I've only thrown a small karate star once or twice, i think maybe it was a decorative or souvenier model.
I've never thrown an axe, but I did throw a tomahawk for a day, at a picnic.

When I was younger, I could put a commando knife almost an inch into a telephone pole. if it hit the grain right.
Now the best I can do is about a half inch into a pine plank.
I've got good control, but my range is less, and my power is less.

I always wondered about those throwing spears where you have the little helper stick bent like a back scatcher.
I remember seeing one in the movie "Quest for Fire", with Rae dawn chong.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   April 14th 2008, 11:01 pm

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I always wondered about those throwing spears where you have the little helper stick bent like a back scatcher. I remember seeing one in the movie "Quest for Fire", with Rae dawn chong.

Yeah those are cool, I beleive they are called atlatl. It is essentially a solid spear sling. The smaller stick has a hook that fits into a notch on the base of the spear, and then you essentially fling the smaller stick forward as if you are going to hit something with it. Because the tip of the smaller stick extends the range of motion of your arm and has to travel faster than your arm in order to cover the same angle, this allows you to impart much more momentum to the spear. Pretty clever actually... I've played with a few home made versions and was surprised at how easy to use and accurate they were... I'd bet a properly made one would be awesome...

My first throwing weapons were shuriken. Started with the little cheapo ones and then started getting the bigger heavier variety. I got pretty good with those, though I could still only get those to stick in about a quarter of an inch. The next knives i got were the light spring steel ones like the ones on BudK. Got pretty good accuracy with those, bit no penetration. Then I got my first heavy (relatively speaking) thrower, I forget what it's called but it was the leaf shaped one with the straight perforated handle... Was quite a while ago... Those suckers I could embed over an inch into whatever... though at the cost of accuracy... very cool. When I got good with those, I though I'd try a so called "High quality" throwing set, and got the Hibben Knife/axe set... But to this day I can't tell you if they were any good cause i couldn't bring myself to actually throw either of them... ROFL Very Happy PhyreBlade
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   April 17th 2008, 9:06 am

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Thats funny, I must have miss it. Sorry about the duplicate. dunno scratch

I can understand missing a post, even I can't read them all.

But how did you miss it when the post you missed is THIS post??.......page 2 of....2 pages....means.......page #....1......must come before page 2.

Hmmmm stars haw ha butt

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   April 17th 2008, 9:17 am

PB put my post onto this one. I didn't see the 'original' post. So PH place my new post onto your old one Embarassed
Thats how it happened. Rolling Eyes Also if you notice your post is subject 'flying knife'. My original post was subject 'The flying knife' But either way I miss seeing the original. So instead of deleting me PB placed mine on your page 2. stars
Lets face it, I pulled a :homr:
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   April 17th 2008, 10:26 am

Knife Throwing....

I started as a kid..around 8....seems like that was the age I started most things I continued with. We had gotten a new picnic table for the backyard and I was able to keep the old table and put it way in the back and lean it up for a target. Started out throwing any knife I was able to get. Kitchen knives, pocket knives, nails, pointed rods. Early teens I was able to get into my whole Ninja phase and I had a bunch of stars and a few throwing knives. I was getting better but at that point it was still more by luck or instinct as I hadn't figured it out in my head yet. In my teens I had figured out the mental calculations of distance/rotation/force/stance/throw and make the knife fly the way I wanted it to...where I wanted it to. By 16 I was up to about 65% accurate.

In my 20's I lived with a buddy Charlie and we had set up a door against a tree as a target...lasted only a few days. We started building targets and we went thru so many! We would just chew thru them because we threw so much. it all changed when we bought some bigger heavier professional knives and they were so much better than the little knives with no weight to them. I had a set of six that were pro quality knives big diamond shape with a straight handle. My buddies were more Bowie/Hibben kind of throwers. We got to the point where we were throwing from about 30ft and making throws within a 3inch bulleye about 8-9 times out of 10. We did this for years... we got to where we would do throws from 3ft, 5ft, 10ft, 20ft, 30ft, and a few at about 50-60..just for fun. Anything past 30-35ft was kinda iffy as the knife is dropping as it moves forward, so the really far throws you have to throw it high above the target and it's much easier to totally miss the throw.
We had made a target that had a person painted on it with a gun in one hand and a knife in another. One person would have a handfull of about 8 knives in a ready stance and the other would call out a target....head, gun, heart, balls, kness, knife, face, eye, brain, etc, etc.....man that was great...I really miss that.
Like i said, we had gotten pretty good. We made most of our throws. Lost a bunch of knives in the bushes but it was well worth it in the end. Because we were getting bored with doing things the normal way we would do crazy action movie throws....try and jump or dive in the air and throw....not as easy as the movies make it look. We did balloons. paper plates, ...a muppet, pumpkins...
As throwing knives were used for hunting we attached a rope to a block of wood big enough to be a good sized rabbit and Charlie would pull it as I would throw at it them we would switch. That was hard! ...and a real rabbit would have been so much faster!
We would squirt lighter fluid on the target then on the knife blade and light the blade...throw the flaming knife...and ignite the target. I forgot what we ended up using, but we got some kind of greese or something that stayed on better and stayed lit.
We tried left hand and double hand .....throwing 2 or more at once.
We had big knives, little knives, throwing spikes, long construction nails, sewing seam rippers...what ever would stick.

When I was 8 I was drawing and I drew a lightning bolt...a basic pointed zig-zag...and something clicked in my head....something instinct.

I made a little necklace pendant of that in a circle. I also took some tin snips and cut out some sheet metal in the lightning bolt shape...I think I made 3 or 4...and they were perfect thowing stars/knives. 30 years later I made a couple out of steel and they rock! It's just a perfect design as a double bladed knife/ star throwing object. I'll make a few more...

I have a small target that i toss a spike or two at once in a while. I just don't have a big backyard right now to play in. I miss it.
It's one of my superpowers. I can pick a spot and make a knife stick. It always felt like magic or a superpower. A really cool skill that none of the people in my life could do.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   April 17th 2008, 10:28 am

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PB put my post onto this one. I didn't see the 'original' post. So PH place my new post onto your old one Embarassed
Thats how it happened. Rolling Eyes Also if you notice your post is subject 'flying knife'. My original post was subject 'The flying knife' But either way I miss seeing the original. So instead of deleting me PB placed mine on your page 2. stars
Lets face it, I pulled a :homr:

I'm just messing with ya taunt so it's Phyreblade who made you look bad..... haw ha
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   April 17th 2008, 5:42 pm

Not wanting to rat him out (sorry PB) but that is how it happened. Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   April 17th 2008, 10:11 pm

LOL Hey man, no worries about ratting me out, it is what it is. I screw up sometimes... Please feel free to call me out if I do... LOL

I really didn't want to just delete your post, but I should have read it through properly before deciding what to do with it. In retrospect, seeing as it's copypasta that is already contained in Sinzas original post, I should have just deep sixed it instead. No matter, at least we have the privilege of looking stupid in good company... LOL ROFL
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   April 18th 2008, 1:46 pm

No worrys PB, I knew sinza was flipping me shit :fty: punchy feel free to do what you want with any of my posts. It's good to know we're in your safe and capable hands Shocked ROFL :lol!:
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   April 19th 2008, 1:45 am

Muchas Gracias Senor! Very Happy PhyreBlade
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   April 19th 2008, 3:03 am

I have a friend who bought a brand new gerber combat stiletto sheath dagger
It had an ultra hard blade, which meant it was very very sharp, but brittle

( you know where this is going, don't you )

anyways, george went in the house to get it, and came out to where I was
and threw it at his apple tree.

it stuck real nice, but his second throw the knife stuck at an angle
and the weight of the cast metal handle snapped the tip right off.

almost 3/4 inch gone. he was pissed, he paid $130 for it, or something.
he reground a new point, and it looked okay, but it wasn't the same.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   April 19th 2008, 2:19 pm

LOL that must have been a bummer!! I wouldn't have been throwing a combat stiletto anyway... I have a hard time throwing purpose made throwing knives that look good, much less one not intended for throwing... LOL PhyreBlade
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   February 14th 2009, 3:43 am

in the summer or sooner i want to start knife throwing, or using shurikin...or both. What are some good reliable online stores that sell good throwing knifes. im not really interested in the sail knife thing since i kinda suck at darts as it is Crying or Very sad but i seem to be good with throwing knife from my short one day experience about a year ago Laughing .
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   February 14th 2009, 6:39 am

Man... It's been a long time since I bought a throwing knife... I used to get them from either BudK (http://budk.com/), AWMA (http://www.awma.com) or 888knivesRUs (http://www.888knivesrus.com/)

Never had any problems with them, though I'd wait and see what other suggest. It's been a while since I bought one, so there may be better options... Most vendors are selling pretty mch the same type of knife within a given price range, so what I'd do if I were doing it today would be to find a thrower style I like and look around to see who has it for the best price. Prolly also check on eBay also...
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   February 14th 2009, 6:44 am

Now more these days I just Googgle what I want and then I choose the 'Shopping' choice at the top and it clicks over to all the different sights that carry that and the different prices. Then I click the choice to have it listed by price so I can see who is the cheapist for the item I want. Amazon is also great for that, so much you can find for so little. As for a named company, BudK isn't too bad, good selection of some cool toys. The catalog makes you want something on evey page, so be careful. Most of it is midline to low quality, but you'll get great prices on throwing knives that are just fine for your needs. You should be able to find sets of three for as low as $10 somehwere online. I suggest finding a knife you like and getting at least 6-10 of the same knife. It will make you a better thrower.
Not only will you not have to walk back and forth each time which gets to be a pain, but you get to adjust your throws.
My first throw might miss, and my second, but by the third I had figured out by how it was hitting if I was throwing too fast/slow or not enough spin. The rest of the throws would sink in all the same....thunk thunk thunk. That's how you get good. If you only have one or two knives and they are different knives you can't adjust your throw. But if you have many of the same weight/feel/release/ect you can adjust and become very good very quickly.

And then it's magic...:SINZA:
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   February 14th 2009, 7:00 pm

from what i know you want a heavier knife because the extra mass helps the blade stick easier right? also what is a good target board? i remember something about old stumps turned on there side are good long lasting targets.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   February 15th 2009, 1:23 pm

Yes, Good call BM,

If you are a first time thrower, you really do want to avoid those super small super light cheapo throwing knives.



In the pic above, the ones in the middle are the ones I don't recommend. They were waay too light, they are much more unstable in flight, and provide less feedback. But don't get the huge bowie knives either. The leaf shaped one on the bottom of the pic is an example of a good, medium weight thrower. I found my ideal throwers to be a around 8" long or more, centrally balanced (COG in middle of blade,) with no edges, just one very sharp point.

But it is different for everyone. You will have to experiment to find out what works best for you, but I'd recommend you start with a tip heavy handle thrower, like the leaf shaped one, as it provides more feedback. Also avoid the asymmetrical knives (where the spine is not a mirror image of the edge) to start off with, or any knives with abrupt contours that could foul your release. Again, I'd suggest around 8 inches (or more) long, and ideally weigh about .7 or .8 oz (around .5lb) each.

As Sinza suggested, most vendors sell both good ones and cheapo ones side by side, so look for one that meets your criteria and just google/ebay around for the best prices. Once you find one that feels right, do get a lot of them and just keep chucking them. DO NOT THROW INTO THE SIDE OF AN UPRIGHT TRUNK! The knife will fly off in an unpredictable directions if it hits a curved surface the wrong way. I used to use cardboard boxes and old doors for targets, but a tree trunk on it's side (so you are throwing into the flat surface) is much more durable. Large flat pieces of junk wood at least an inch think also works well.

It is a fun hobby, I need to pick it back up again... Not to mention all the walking is good for you... :)

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   February 17th 2009, 8:53 pm

@Jerry

Oh god. Tell me it wasn't a Gerber Mark II..
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 9th 2009, 10:58 pm

ztrain wrote:
excuse me... sir, you eather got riped off or your not throwing them corectly... you throw them verticaly (they always throw them wrong in movies and crap) or you bought ones and one side is more heavy. mine fly strait and true for about 70 ft (longest ive ever thrown one)

Ok, a little history on me. I have had a very very strong obsession with sharp, shiny, metal objects since I was 5, started throwing knives at 8 and eventually (after a few years) moved to stars because I was no good at the rotation. I threw them a lot and was very good at it but have fallen out of practice. I liked the heavy six-point's but I found that if they were just light enough and there was a good distance to the target I could get it to curve and hit almost at a perfect ninety-degree angle. I accomplished this by holding the star between the index and middle finger and throwing it by flicking the wrist and releasing around 45-degrees away from the target with my palm facing towards me. This "trick" was very fun to do and it became my preferred throwing method. Since then I have lost all my stars in the so common method of "wtf, where did it go?".
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 11th 2009, 12:28 am

@Nyarlathotep
LOL sounds like your "trick" had a way of making your stars vanish... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 11th 2009, 9:36 am

Throwing stars is the same as playing bass guitar.

It's what you do when you have no real talent.

Practice practice practice...read some books...practice more.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   March 11th 2009, 6:24 pm

@ SINZA

I played guitar for about 11 years now. Not the best by any means. I know in Sandman's thread I called it the "Guitard", but....damn man....I
bring the funk damn it!! I bring the funk!!! FUUUUUUNK!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   November 26th 2009, 5:46 pm

er i'm still learning but any tips on how to throw them correctly and accuratly?
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   November 27th 2009, 12:44 am

Throw what? Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   November 27th 2009, 2:26 pm

You'd be surprised at the number of video tutorials there are for this kind of thing on youtube, i think i recall seeing a quite detailed tutorial on knife throwing on there a while back.

But don't forget, not everything you see on youtube makes for good advice.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   November 28th 2009, 1:16 pm

godowesmoses wrote:
But don't forget, not everything you see on youtube makes for good advice.

Truer words were ne'er spoken... There are actually a lot of folks on youtube who do know what they are talking about... But some of the others... You really have to be careful who you listen to online... :/

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   November 28th 2009, 1:53 pm

yeah i have seen some of those tutorials vid on knife throwing but the people don't know what there doing when i watched one i could swear i saw the guy almost cut his own finger off
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   September 16th 2010, 2:14 pm

i want to buy one
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   September 16th 2010, 4:40 pm

SINZA wrote:
Throwing stars is the same as playing bass guitar.

It's what you do when you have no real talent.

Practice practice practice...read some books...practice more.

i take offence to that... I've been playing bass for several years and i can do things with it that some people can't do with a regular guitar.

this is Cliff Burtons Anesthesia (pulling teeth) greatest bassist evers greatest bass solo ever.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   September 16th 2010, 11:19 pm

uhlinator wrote:
SINZA wrote:
Throwing stars is the same as playing bass guitar.

It's what you do when you have no real talent.

Practice practice practice...read some books...practice more.

i take offence to that... I've been playing bass for several years and i can do things with it that some people can't do with a regular guitar.

I never said there wasn't talented bass players. You're taking something I said in jest way too seriously.

And I was listening to Cliff's bass solo before you were born...I saw it live in concert. tongue
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   September 17th 2010, 12:42 pm

i understand it was a joke.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Knife   January 20th 2011, 1:35 am

Good points, and I love all of the references to the elder gods described by H.P. Lovecraft. a good animation of Cthulhu, and Nyarlathotep, the second of whom is also known as "the chaos that creeps", interesting little fact there. It's the kind of thing I find interesting.
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